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Re: Re: Tiens
I disagree.
I find the Teins to be an excellent system and very well made. Also adjusting the stifness is simple. Although there is a tool included I find that my thumb and index finger work just as well wit no need to pull out the "knob" The other thing is that 6 clicks from hard will always be 6 clicks from hard, not like the Konis where you turn it 'x.5' turns one way or the other.
The ride at the soft setting is comfortable and at the hard setting it is ... well, hard... but my car handles beautifully, so I'm happy.
One thing you have to remember about using a shock spring combo with "seperates" is the rebound valveing. If you buy the Tein NA/HA the Dampers have the rebound optimized for the combined spring. Konis do not, although, you can buy the Neuspeed Edition Konis and "regular" Konis..
Now I'm not saying that Konis are crap, in fact I think they are fantastic too. But the systems are different with different features. I did a lot of research and my opinion was, that dollar for dollar, I would go Tein..
I would say the only comparible system to the Teins are the Stage 4 Truechoice System (using custom valved Konis) and that ran about $2500.00 US..
BTW the NA are about $300.00 CAD less than the HA. and the Tein HA's were only about $300.00 more than a Koni/GC setup (at the time I bought them). But with the Teins you get a true coilover with Tender springs...
Ohya, after 100,000 miles I would expect most performance dampers would require a rebuild...
marcucci said:
I disagree.
I find the Teins to be an excellent system and very well made. Also adjusting the stifness is simple. Although there is a tool included I find that my thumb and index finger work just as well wit no need to pull out the "knob" The other thing is that 6 clicks from hard will always be 6 clicks from hard, not like the Konis where you turn it 'x.5' turns one way or the other.
The ride at the soft setting is comfortable and at the hard setting it is ... well, hard... but my car handles beautifully, so I'm happy.
One thing you have to remember about using a shock spring combo with "seperates" is the rebound valveing. If you buy the Tein NA/HA the Dampers have the rebound optimized for the combined spring. Konis do not, although, you can buy the Neuspeed Edition Konis and "regular" Konis..
Now I'm not saying that Konis are crap, in fact I think they are fantastic too. But the systems are different with different features. I did a lot of research and my opinion was, that dollar for dollar, I would go Tein..
I would say the only comparible system to the Teins are the Stage 4 Truechoice System (using custom valved Konis) and that ran about $2500.00 US..
BTW the NA are about $300.00 CAD less than the HA. and the Tein HA's were only about $300.00 more than a Koni/GC setup (at the time I bought them). But with the Teins you get a true coilover with Tender springs...
Ohya, after 100,000 miles I would expect most performance dampers would require a rebuild...
Wow marcucci, I didn't know that shock/strut performance was so affected by the quality of paint!
I'd better go get a high-quality clear coat and tear out my Tein NRs to protect them from that performance-reducing rust!
Anything that is steel will rust. Anything that is painted, will chip and THEN rust.
I, for one, am totally happy with my NRs and the ride they give me. After having ridden in countless variations of X spring and Y shock combos, I think the NRs are perfect for me - they tuned out a lot of understeer, they're comfy on all but the worst roads, the drop is very respectable on the highest setting (the gap is now one finger width all around), and the body roll is WAY less than what it used to be.
The Tein shocks seems to have about twice the diameter of Koni or stock shocks. While not everything from Japan is better, I do believe the Teins gave me exactly what I was looking for - a quality stiff street suspension. And my combo doesn't even have adjustable shocks.
I'm also not defending Teins just b/c I own them. But that you'll have to take my word for.
I'd better go get a high-quality clear coat and tear out my Tein NRs to protect them from that performance-reducing rust!
Anything that is steel will rust. Anything that is painted, will chip and THEN rust.
I, for one, am totally happy with my NRs and the ride they give me. After having ridden in countless variations of X spring and Y shock combos, I think the NRs are perfect for me - they tuned out a lot of understeer, they're comfy on all but the worst roads, the drop is very respectable on the highest setting (the gap is now one finger width all around), and the body roll is WAY less than what it used to be.
The Tein shocks seems to have about twice the diameter of Koni or stock shocks. While not everything from Japan is better, I do believe the Teins gave me exactly what I was looking for - a quality stiff street suspension. And my combo doesn't even have adjustable shocks.
I'm also not defending Teins just b/c I own them. But that you'll have to take my word for.
well, maybe im not ballin' so straight anymore if we're talking 10K for shocks/struts.
I'm not phased by 1100-1500 for Teins, I'm having a hard time finding them IN STOCK anywhere. I can get them for 1100 NEW, but the waiting list is Mid June for the next shipment.
Any other options besides Koni/GC's?
I'm not phased by 1100-1500 for Teins, I'm having a hard time finding them IN STOCK anywhere. I can get them for 1100 NEW, but the waiting list is Mid June for the next shipment
.Any other options besides Koni/GC's?
Spite:
Your self-appointed name describes you well. I'm surpised you drive a Prelude. If you're not worried about things rusting, or not worried about finish or build quality, you should be driving a Camaro. No, anything that's steel does NOT need to rust- paint it properly or powder coat it and it won't. It doesn't need to chip, either, at least as long as you're not banging on it with a wrench like a monkey. I never argued they didn't *perform*, I was arguing that anything built or designed so poorly as to rust that quickly probably has flaws somewhere else, too. Like the price, for one.
Grant (from The Great White North):
Yes, I've ridden in a car with Teins (HAs). I've also ridden in a car with GC's and Konis with the same spring rate as Teins. Granted, the Konis were revalved to match, but my 450/375 springs on stock Konis rode just fine- no bounciness, nice and firm. Like you'd expect or better yet, like the Teins. I never argued they didn't feel good. My concern is with the build quality. I'm down in Texas- we see snow maybe one or two weeks a year. We also don't salt roads down here, we sand. Maybe my friend whose Teins rusted in one year should have cleaned them every time he washed his car. Guess what? After putting on my GC/Konis I never touched them, except to adjust them or when I took them off this week. Dirty as hell (never cleaned), the GCs looked new when I cleaned them up.
Again, I've never argued they don't perform. They do. Know what? revalved Konis would work just as well with GCs as would the Teins, without the reliability issue the Teins have. My argument is that any product designed with so little regard to finish probably has or will develop other problems. Forget that, though, I don't want a product on my car, *especially* the suspension, that will rust like that. Certainly not one that's supposed to be adjustable, and who's failure would result in me totalling the car.
TimeRacer:
I agree with you. Thanks for not being Spite-ful
coil222:
I suggest the GC/Koni setup. Honestly, the high spring rate of the Teins is a little ridiculous for all but the most serious track racer/autocrosser. It's great on the track but a little harsh on the street. I'd suggest something in the range of 450F/375R (The Teins I believe are well over 600?). H&R also makes a coil-over kit I believe, though I don't know much else about it. Also, you can forget about the "best" setup. The "best" setup varies from person to person and how much you have to spend. And no one wants to see you ballin' straight or otherwise.
Your self-appointed name describes you well. I'm surpised you drive a Prelude. If you're not worried about things rusting, or not worried about finish or build quality, you should be driving a Camaro. No, anything that's steel does NOT need to rust- paint it properly or powder coat it and it won't. It doesn't need to chip, either, at least as long as you're not banging on it with a wrench like a monkey. I never argued they didn't *perform*, I was arguing that anything built or designed so poorly as to rust that quickly probably has flaws somewhere else, too. Like the price, for one.
Grant (from The Great White North):
Yes, I've ridden in a car with Teins (HAs). I've also ridden in a car with GC's and Konis with the same spring rate as Teins. Granted, the Konis were revalved to match, but my 450/375 springs on stock Konis rode just fine- no bounciness, nice and firm. Like you'd expect or better yet, like the Teins. I never argued they didn't feel good. My concern is with the build quality. I'm down in Texas- we see snow maybe one or two weeks a year. We also don't salt roads down here, we sand. Maybe my friend whose Teins rusted in one year should have cleaned them every time he washed his car. Guess what? After putting on my GC/Konis I never touched them, except to adjust them or when I took them off this week. Dirty as hell (never cleaned), the GCs looked new when I cleaned them up.
Again, I've never argued they don't perform. They do. Know what? revalved Konis would work just as well with GCs as would the Teins, without the reliability issue the Teins have. My argument is that any product designed with so little regard to finish probably has or will develop other problems. Forget that, though, I don't want a product on my car, *especially* the suspension, that will rust like that. Certainly not one that's supposed to be adjustable, and who's failure would result in me totalling the car.
TimeRacer:
I agree with you. Thanks for not being Spite-ful
coil222:
I suggest the GC/Koni setup. Honestly, the high spring rate of the Teins is a little ridiculous for all but the most serious track racer/autocrosser. It's great on the track but a little harsh on the street. I'd suggest something in the range of 450F/375R (The Teins I believe are well over 600?). H&R also makes a coil-over kit I believe, though I don't know much else about it. Also, you can forget about the "best" setup. The "best" setup varies from person to person and how much you have to spend. And no one wants to see you ballin' straight or otherwise.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Tiens
Yes, Koni/GC is a proven setup. But Teins are proven on cars like the WRC Corolla. Todd mentioned them rusting... I live in NJ and we had one of the worst winters here and mine are still fine. I just high-power rinse them every month or so to keep them clean. With pillowballs my camber is -2.5'/-1.0' F/R at a 60mm drop.
The setup I wanted before was GAB Super HP/GC/Apexi pillowballs... but that would have cost me $1200 and I got the HA's for $1000 used in mint condition.
It's been 30,000 miles and I consider them just broken in... the ride has slowly gotten smoother and more comfortable, although there's the annoying shock knock. Hopefully by the time I get them revalved in a couple of years I'll be skilled enough to take full advantage of the adjustability.
Between the NA and Koni/GC though, the latter is more bang/$.
Alex
Yes, Koni/GC is a proven setup. But Teins are proven on cars like the WRC Corolla. Todd mentioned them rusting... I live in NJ and we had one of the worst winters here and mine are still fine. I just high-power rinse them every month or so to keep them clean. With pillowballs my camber is -2.5'/-1.0' F/R at a 60mm drop.
The setup I wanted before was GAB Super HP/GC/Apexi pillowballs... but that would have cost me $1200 and I got the HA's for $1000 used in mint condition.
It's been 30,000 miles and I consider them just broken in... the ride has slowly gotten smoother and more comfortable, although there's the annoying shock knock. Hopefully by the time I get them revalved in a couple of years I'll be skilled enough to take full advantage of the adjustability.
Between the NA and Koni/GC though, the latter is more bang/$.
Alex
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