[Dragazn]

someone tell me which is bettter in quality n handling n which bounce more r come to stock. Planning to get after market shock with these okay.

 

[71dsp]

Damn, I can barely read your post.

Handling, bouciness, etc. depend a lot on the spring rates and damper rates.

As far as build quality, I would say GC is better.

I have the GCs with custom Konis. My spring rates are 700 front and 550 rear. Very stiff. The car handles very good, but it beats you up on the street (it's not a daily driver).

Here's my review of the Koni/GC combo:

http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/groundcontrol/groundcontrol.shtml

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Billy
North Texas Prelude Owners Group
www.ntpog.org

 

[ahcjar103]

the gc/koni setup is excellent

 

[FukieneseDragger]

no question...anything else besides gc's would be uncivilized (for the fake coilover setup, I'm not refering to TRUE coilovers

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Yum Yum Yum!

 

[71dsp]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by FukieneseDragger:
no question...anything else besides gc's would be uncivilized (for the fake coilover setup, I'm not refering to TRUE coilovers

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What's the difference between a "true" coilover and the GCs?

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Billy
North Texas Prelude Owners Group
www.ntpog.org

 

[FukieneseDragger]

71dsp: something like these Hiper Damper Suspension Kits from HKS

 

[ahcjar103]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by FukieneseDragger:
71dsp: something like these Hiper Damper Suspension Kits from HKS

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What the full threaded coilovers really give you as an advantage is a damper rate that is matched with the spring. But in the gc/koni setup, as Billy has, koni has custom tailored the damper rates so it matches with the gc's. So what you have is a height and stiffness adjustable, damper matched setup that performs as well as the threaded coilovers.

 

[ahcjar103]

one thing i forgot to mention...with the gc's you can get different rate springs to swap in for street/strip/autox/whatever

 

[prelude19]

i have koni yellow with the skunk2 coilovers. i have no complaints and i love them enough to recomend them to another honda lover. so yeah i heard that skunk2's are a lil more bouncier than the gc but i like that feel when i say bouncy i don't mean like yer rollin on cut springs or anything just a slit bounce but still very stiff if u want the suspension to be. peace just my 2 sence. who else loves there skunk2's

 

[soniclude]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 71dsp:
What's the difference between a "true" coilover and the GCs?

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well from what i've seen the GCs aren't "true" coilvers cause they act like adjustable springs in a sense, and still compress your shocks. real coilovers replace the springs AND the shocks, which is why they are so expensive, and why they are truly adjustable.

someone correct me on this if i'm wrong?

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Raman
Viper's Lair
99 Pearl White SS
Mods

 

[ahcjar103]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by soniclude:
well from what i've seen the GCs aren't "true" coilvers cause they act like adjustable springs in a sense, and still compress your shocks. real coilovers replace the springs AND the shocks, which is why they are so expensive, and why they are truly adjustable.

someone correct me on this if i'm wrong?

</font>

there isn't a "true" and a "fake"....there's a sleeved and a threaded

 

[71dsp]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ahcjar103:

What the full threaded coilovers really give you as an advantage is a damper rate that is matched with the spring. But in the gc/koni setup, as Billy has, koni has custom tailored the damper rates so it matches with the gc's. So what you have is a height and stiffness adjustable, damper matched setup that performs as well as the threaded coilovers.</font>

Yeah, that's pretty and all, but if I put those in a car, and I put GCs in the car with the same damping characteristics, you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

Also, with these "true" coilover kits, can you alter spring rates? Can you buy new springs off the shelf? Can you have the dampers rebuilt? Can you have the dampers customized? See where I am going with this? The GC/Koni combo (for the money), is by far one of the best setups because it is so versatile.

Having the damper and spring in one set is just packaging, marketing if you will. It makes it easier on the consumer to pick a full suspension package. If you want to get the most out of your suspension, you have to experiment with different damping settings, spring rates, etc.

Go look at REAL race coilovers. I am talking about JRZ, Moton, Penske, Ohlins, etc. NONE of those are packaged with springs. You buy the dampers, and you buy the springs. Yes, they are expensive ($1000+ PER damper), but that's the price you pay for race parts.....

Also, do you two not notice that on the HKS kit, those are threaded sleeves on the damper body? What's the difference in those, and my GC/Konis:

HKS:

Looks almost the same, except for the upper spring cap.

Sorry, not trying to go off on you guys, but "real" and "fake" coilover is a bunch of bull****.

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Billy
North Texas Prelude Owners Group
www.ntpog.org

[This message has been edited by 71dsp (edited April 01, 2001).]

 

[71dsp]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by soniclude:
well from what i've seen the GCs aren't "true" coilvers cause they act like adjustable springs in a sense, and still compress your shocks. real coilovers replace the springs AND the shocks, which is why they are so expensive, and why they are truly adjustable.

someone correct me on this if i'm wrong?

</font>

WHAT?

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Billy
North Texas Prelude Owners Group
www.ntpog.org

 

[71dsp]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ahcjar103:
there isn't a "true" and a "fake"....there's a sleeved and a threaded
</font>

Now, what's the difference bewteen sleeved and threaded?

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Billy
North Texas Prelude Owners Group
www.ntpog.org