Pics of my crappy worn out tires-Do I need a Camber kit?

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coil222

Discussion Starter · Mar 24, 2001

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i was Cleaning my Wun-Guns off today, probably going to throw them back on the car on my next day off. I know they NEED new tires immediately. My question is-with the wear that is shown here, would it be a good idea to get a camber kit. I have Eibach prokit (1.3" drop), factory shocks/struts.
Also, recommend a good street all weather tire : ).
Thanks

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bronx99

· #2 · Mar 24, 2001

doesn't look extremely bad..

99SAABTRBO

· #3 · Mar 24, 2001

Judging by just those pictures it seems like you may need one. Basically if you look at your wheels and they are pointing into the wheel well you need a kit (but there could be other probs too though). You need about 1.5 degrees of negative camber, which is hardly noticable.

Pirelli makes the p6000 which is very good.

Mike

Blk BB6

· #4 · Mar 24, 2001

if u are getting a camber kit, avoid getting the front ball joint type (ingalls)

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coil222

Discussion Starter · #5 · Mar 24, 2001

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Blk BB6:
if u are getting a camber kit, avoid getting the front ball joint type (ingalls)

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Who Else makes a Camber kit?

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checkmate58

· #6 · Mar 24, 2001

Doesn't look bad at all..i don't think you need a camber kit..i probably need one more then you...1.5 all around.

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bronx99

· #7 · Mar 24, 2001

progressive.

Marsh

· #8 · Mar 24, 2001

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First of all I think it's blantantly obvious form those pistures that your not running enough air pressure (I can't believe no-one pointed that out! What happend to all the tech heads around here). Secondly toe has a lot more to do with this kind of wear than camber. Is your toe within spec? My last set of tires looke similar to that on the inside at STOCK RIDE HIEGHT. The problem was way too much toe out from a home alignment.

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thewedge3

· #9 · Mar 24, 2001

My tires look similar to yours, save for the outside wear(?) I'm dropped 1.3" as well and I'm running plenty of air. I have Konis, though. 1.2-3 of neg. camber. I would say you're wear is a combo of camber and toe. But agressive driving always throws off my toe settings.

G

· #10 · Mar 24, 2001

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Marsh:
First of all I think it's blantantly obvious form those pistures that your not running enough air pressure (I can't believe no-one pointed that out! What happend to all the tech heads around here). Secondly toe has a lot more to do with this kind of wear than camber. Is your toe within spec? My last set of tires looke similar to that on the inside at STOCK RIDE HIEGHT. The problem was way too much toe out from a home alignment.
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Good catch! Sorry, I haven't even seen this thread until now.

Marshall is 100% right. Camber will cause inner tire wear, but toe out will cause it even faster.

However, if you notice, you have more tread in the middle than on either shoulder. That's a classic sign that you are not running enough air pressure.

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IXLR8

· #11 · Mar 24, 2001

How much pressure are you guys typically running for street use? I have 215/35-18's and they're set to 36psi.

I'm still getting wear on the inner edge - but I think my toe is off again... I have to get it realigned. The springs have also settled a bit since my last alignment, so that's another reason to recheck it.

TimeRacer

· #12 · Mar 24, 2001

Just look at what the max pressure is per the tire. For my RE-730's (and most) in the stock size the max pressure is approximately 44 psi. I generally fill them to about 38-40 when on the street. I've dropped 1.5" and NEVER had that type of wear. But that may also be attributed to the Tien pillowballs, but I don't think they actually do as much as Tien says they do. In any case I am only off by about 1.2 degrees MAX with the drop.

~Doug

thewedge3

· #13 · Mar 24, 2001

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by IXLR8:
How much pressure are you guys typically running for street use? I have 215/35-18's and they're set to 36psi.

I'm still getting wear on the inner edge - but I think my toe is off again... I have to get it realigned. The springs have also settled a bit since my last alignment, so that's another reason to recheck it.</font>

I'm running 34-35 pounds. I would imagine those big 18s/short sidewalls are doing a number on you're toe.

I get inside wear but it usually only happens when I have the front shocks dialed soft. And I only notice it when the tires are close to expiring anyway.

baked

· #14 · Mar 25, 2001

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Marsh:
First of all I think it's blantantly obvious form those pistures that your not running enough air pressure
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This was my immediate thought... figured someone had already caught it by now.

ThatPreludeGuy

· #15 · Mar 25, 2001

I can see the needs more air in those tires theory but my car is easily dropped about 1.75" and my tires are a little "cupped" on the inside edges but between how I drive on them and the amount I'm lowered they look way better then those. Yeah I know I'll get flamed for this but I never had an alignment done after I did the TEIN's. Actaully I've NEVER had an alignment done yet. Could that wear be more from a crappy alignment job then being lowered?

baked

· #16 · Mar 25, 2001

thatpreludeguy... if you lowered without an alignment you've got some pretty serious toe-out in the front. This will cause extreme wear on the inside edges.

...here's my embarassing story.

dropped my car and got and alignment immediately. I was at -1 degree on all four corners. About 8k miles later I decided to put on my rear camber kit. At this point I was seeing a slightly (toward the inside edge) wear pattern. I put on the kit and immediately noticed the car felt strange. The rear began to rotate easily and the car was unstable in the rain. I attributed this to toe-out in the rear due to the kit and figured I'd get to it sooner or later. I've put maybe 1500 miles on the car with that setup. I was under the rear two days ago for another reason and happened to look at my tires.... holy s***... I'm past the wear bars toward the inside of the tire with over half tread left near the outside. Basically, now I'm looking at having to replace my rear tires (stock ones) at about 15k miles. I managed to put 15k miles of wear in that 1.5k... I should have known better, but I was having fun sliding the rear around corners. I took the camber kit off immediately and went back to stock in the rear until I have time to get an alignment.

The moral... and something I knew already... get an alignment after every suspension change.

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ThatPreludeGuy

· #17 · Mar 25, 2001

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by baked:
thatpreludeguy... if you lowered without an alignment you've got some pretty serious toe-out in the front. This will cause extreme wear on the inside edges.

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I can take som pics of my tires that have well over 15k on them now with NO alignement done and the car is dropped over 1.5"....I'm going to go ahead and guess my ass is LUCKY!!!

Don't worry the next time I get tires I'm getting an alignment but so far they've been fine. I bet if I swapped tires left to right at 7-8K I could get 20k from those suckers.

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Marsh

· #18 · Mar 25, 2001

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Well I run 32-34 psi but you obviously drive much harder on the street then I do. The outside wear is from HARD cornering. You'll need more pressure to fight that.

If I were you I'd try about 3 psi more. Do the fronts and rears look about the same.

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