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I wandered in here to see what was up w/ the lude people.

I talk to Jeff (Baked), Jon (Deceptakon), and Erik (Thatchmaster) about their ludes and they are always saying engine upgrades are hard to come by. They say no SC available, N/A awesomeness is a dream, and turbo kits that are available suck. Turbo has to be custom to be good. This post is mainly about engine stuff.

I just read the JUN N/A post and just reading that made my head spin. I hate when something is so awesome, sounds good on paper, has been tested even, but isnt available. Sounds like the Endyn Sc'er, huh? I know thats not a fair comparison, but it's reality.

It's not too hard to get stuff on the B side. There is plenty of stuff to do whatever you want. I dont see why a good engine (either h22 or h23) is so neglected. I must be missing something. Are there any prelude builders out there??

I met Grant Lockwood at a Driver school in Alabama. He has a nice race lude, but some of the things can be toned down and be streetable, even though its a franken engine. I wonder how deep some of you have actually researched your engine. Good things come to those who know what to look for. And you know by what you want, not what everyone else wants.

I hope that the lude will receive more attention engine wise. At least you have much to choose from appearance wise. Not that the lude is lacking in this dept anyway


Good luck on your plans and your accomplishments,

Pete

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by N3:
I wandered in here to see what was up w/ the lude people.

I talk to Jeff (Baked), Jon (Deceptakon), and Erik (Thatchmaster) about their ludes and they are always saying engine upgrades are hard to come by. They say no SC available, N/A awesomeness is a dream, and turbo kits that are available suck. Turbo has to be custom to be good. This post is mainly about engine stuff.

I just read the JUN N/A post and just reading that made my head spin. I hate when something is so awesome, sounds good on paper, has been tested even, but isnt available. Sounds like the Endyn Sc'er, huh? I know thats not a fair comparison, but it's reality.

It's not too hard to get stuff on the B side. There is plenty of stuff to do whatever you want. I dont see why a good engine (either h22 or h23) is so neglected. I must be missing something. Are there any prelude builders out there??

I met Grant Lockwood at a Driver school in Alabama. He has a nice race lude, but some of the things can be toned down and be streetable, even though its a franken engine. I wonder how deep some of you have actually researched your engine. Good things come to those who know what to look for. And you know by what you want, not what everyone else wants.

I hope that the lude will receive more attention engine wise. At least you have much to choose from appearance wise. Not that the lude is lacking in this dept anyway


Good luck on your plans and your accomplishments,

Pete

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Things for the Prelude aren't THAT hard to come by, but there aren't enough choices between manufacturers (e.g. cams, headers, etc.).

Grant's car would have to get quite a few things changed to make the car streetable. Also, Grant's car leaves much to be desired, unless he has fixed is brake and engine reliability problems. Suspension-wise, the car is set up very well (although I haven't seen his new Moton dampers). The cage is well built, and the car is quite light (for a Prelude). The car is a runner, there's no doubt about that, but he had some horrible reliability problems last season. He didn't even make it to the season opener here in Texas because of brake issues (according to a WC official).

It's hard to get off the shelf stuff for the Prelude because the demand is not there. I mean, there is some demand, but no where near the demand for Civic or Integra parts. It is quite sad as the H22 is a very strong engine.

As for engine builders, anyone that is familiar with Honda engines should be able to build a strong H22. The weakest link are the rods. Of course, the build depends on how you are going (NA or FI) as well.

The Endyn SC was talked about for a long time, but so far I haven't seen a Endyn SC on any car besides Larry's. However, Larry does do JRSC modifications that make the blower much more efficient and capable of more boost. Now, if you are willing to pay for it, you could always have a custom SC made. Everyone was hot to trot for the Endyn SC until rumors about the cost being up to or over something like $7k started. People just balked at the price, but that's the price to do things the right way. The Endyn SC does exist. I have seen the Type R and ridden in the Civic. I am sure that for the right price Larry will reproduce those kits. As for now, a production SC for the Prelude is vaporware, but Honda's are not Larry's mainstay business (unlike JR), it's more of a side business. Also, unlike JR, if you ask Larry when the Endyn SC will be out, his response is usually "when it's finished."

That brings up another point. One thing that I have noticed about a few (not the majority) of "import, honda, whatever" drivers is that they want the big power boost, but they don't understand what it takes to get there; i.e. cost. There are compromises that need to be made, and just slapping on bolt ons aren't going to give you a lot of power on an H22. The modifications need to be done to compliment each other to realize the full power potential.

You don't have to feel sorry for us, there is no need to. Parts and modifications are out there, Prelude owners just need to know where to look, and be willing to pay for quality.

Just one question for you. What constitutes NA awesomeness?
Perhaps 225 whp? or even more? Just wondering.

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Hehehehe

I mentioned that in my post about searching for quality parts... there's just not enough of it.

Jeff... I dont drink and you know that. I slept all day yesterday after working for 14 hours and woke up 1 am and couldnt go back to sleep. So, I messed around and decided to see what was up on the lude forum.

N/A awesomeness:

Doesnt matter the HP, its the driver, but HP and torque help


13 seconds or faster for a 4 cylinder

Good Pull in 5th gear

Reliability

What Mustang??

Pete

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Pete => Well.. look what popped up outta the woodwork! Nice to see you posting again.

Well, like Billy said, there's not a lot of "off the shelf" stuff. So custom is really the way to go. But the problem is, I don't quite have Larry living down the street here, or even on this side of the country for that matter
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We'll have to take some time and work on mine while I'm down there this summer. We were going to today, but I got part of the bumper off and said screw it, we were running out of time. However, I did get the "license plate removal" mod completed
-- it looks nice to, especially because there's no holes in the front bumper to hold the plate on. There was a piece that screwed in behind the bumper that held the plate on
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Well, you'll have to stick around and post here, we could use another real tech head here, we'll add you to the pile we have now. I think I've learned more from reading stuff from Billy (71DSP) and Dr. James in the little while I've been here, than in the 2 years I was on SHO. But hey, it's two different worlds.

-Erik

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