Euro R Intake Manifold

genyosai · Mar 29, 2001

I'm in the process of getting components in for my 97 Prelude. I have Type S valvetrain on the way as well as all the pieces needed to install the intake manifold from a Euro R Accord (Type r Accord).

I'll let everyone know how things work out... then I'll tell you where I got the intake kit from (unless you already know).

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nTG
g5 SH / g3 GSR / E39 528i / Turbonium / EF CIVIC Hatchback

vabeach_lude · Mar 29, 2001

How do you choose which car you want to modify next? do you draw straws?

genyosai · Mar 29, 2001

Actually I need to change my sig.

I don't have the 1.8t Beetle or 528i anymore, but a 2000 GTI VR6 and E39 540i w/SC in their places.

vabeach_lude · Mar 29, 2001

Interestingly enough, you still have 5 cars. So do you draw straws?

Scriber · Mar 29, 2001

Originally posted by genyosai:
then I'll tell you where I got the intake kit from (unless you already know).

Tell us where u got it first

71dsp · Mar 29, 2001

Originally posted by genyosai:
I'm in the process of getting components in for my 97 Prelude. I have Type S valvetrain on the way as well as all the pieces needed to install the intake manifold from a Euro R Accord (Type r Accord).

I'll let everyone know how things work out... then I'll tell you where I got the intake kit from (unless you already know).

You realize all the stuff that's needed for the Euro R manifold?

What parts for the Euro R manifold did you have sent over?

Don't worry about secrets. I already have all the parts for the manifold, even some of the ones that you might not know that you need!

Do a search on Euro R manifold, and you will see all of my research on the subject.

My Euro R manifold is being ported and modified as we speak.

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Billy
North Texas Prelude Owners Group
www.ntpog.org

genyosai · Mar 29, 2001

Originally posted by 71dsp:
You realize all the stuff that's needed for the Euro R manifold?

What parts for the Euro R manifold did you have sent over?

Don't worry about secrets. I already have all the parts for the manifold, even some of the ones that you might not know that you need!

Do a search on Euro R manifold, and you will see all of my research on the subject.

My Euro R manifold is being ported and modified as we speak.

Excellent!! Here is what I have:

From my Prelude:

throttle body
throttle body studs
throttle body nuts and bolts
fuel rail nuts
injector o-rings
manifold stud nuts
intake manifold gasket

from the Euro:

manifold
fuel rail
all misc. wiring brackets
throttle cable bracket
IAC (99-01 Accords use the same IAC)
IAT (99-01 Accords use the same IAT)
fuel rail studs (99-01 Accords use the same)

The IAC is a 3 wire IAC vs. a 2 wire IAC on the 5Gen. The only car that I am sure of that uses this connector is the 99-01 Accord. Also, the fuel pressure regulator is different. There is also a vacuum line on the IAC that the my Prelude doesn't have. I don't know what it is for. Will probably just end up plugging it. The IAC connector is ONLY available on the engine harness. Have to do some wiring. Also have to port match my Prelude's throttle body to the opening on the manifold... the Euro is a little larger.

So what info do you have that I don't so that I can get this thing right.

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nTG
g5 SH / g3 GSR / E39 540iSC / MKIV GTI VR6 / EF CIVIC Hatchback

genyosai · Mar 29, 2001

Originally posted by vabeach_lude:
Interestingly enough, you still have 5 cars. So do you draw straws?

No, I don't draw straws. The 540i I bought already supercharged... it needs nothing else... I promise you. My GTI and Prelude I work on at the same time, pretty much. My CIVIC already has a b18c1, but it's for sale... so no more modding on that. My GSR is pretty maxed out, and it's sold as of last Saturday.. being picked up this Sunday.

So I'll be down to four cars, then three once the CIVIC is sold. My wife drives the 540i mostly... I drive the Prelude and GTI (GTI only when I have to travel for work... its smoother).

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nTG
g5 SH / g3 GSR / E39 540iSC / MKIV GTI VR6 / EF CIVIC Hatchback

ThatPreludeGuy · Mar 29, 2001

Originally posted by genyosai:
No, I don't draw straws. The 540i I bought already supercharged... it needs nothing else... I promise you. My GTI and Prelude I work on at the same time, pretty much. My CIVIC already has a b18c1, but it's for sale... so no more modding on that. My GSR is pretty maxed out, and it's sold as of last Saturday.. being picked up this Sunday.

So I'll be down to four cars, then three once the CIVIC is sold. My wife drives the 540i mostly... I drive the Prelude and GTI (GTI only when I have to travel for work... its smoother).

Rough life...

...how has the reliability been on the GTi? I haven't stopped by the VW Newsgroups in a long time.

vabeach_lude · Mar 29, 2001

How much hp is the 540 putting down??

71dsp · Mar 29, 2001

Originally posted by genyosai:
Excellent!! Here is what I have:

From my Prelude:

throttle body
throttle body studs
throttle body nuts and bolts
fuel rail nuts
injector o-rings
manifold stud nuts
intake manifold gasket

from the Euro:

manifold
fuel rail
all misc. wiring brackets
throttle cable bracket
IAC (99-01 Accords use the same IAC)
IAT (99-01 Accords use the same IAT)
fuel rail studs (99-01 Accords use the same)

The IAC is a 3 wire IAC vs. a 2 wire IAC on the 5Gen. The only car that I am sure of that uses this connector is the 99-01 Accord. Also, the fuel pressure regulator is different. There is also a vacuum line on the IAC that the my Prelude doesn't have. I don't know what it is for. Will probably just end up plugging it. The IAC connector is ONLY available on the engine harness. Have to do some wiring. Also have to port match my Prelude's throttle body to the opening on the manifold... the Euro is a little larger.

So what info do you have that I don't so that I can get this thing right.

Gee that e-mail sounds familiar, I wrote an e-mail that 99% of this message is taken from (cut and pasted, with some interesting modifications). Where did you get it (does the place have initials IP)? Nothing against you, but I get a little ticked when people cut and paste my stuff without credit.

Do you have these parts yet?

You realize that you will have to source an entire engine harness just to get that connector? I wouldn't do it any other way, it's ghetto unless you use the connector.

Also, some machining needs to be done to the injector ports.

One other thing, whoever you got this from, forgot to mention that we are not even sure that the car will idle with this different IAC, there could be erratic idle issues, it could idle too high, too low, etc.

How much are you paying for this stuff?

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Billy
North Texas Prelude Owners Group
www.ntpog.org

genyosai · Mar 30, 2001

Originally posted by THATPRELUDEGUY:
Rough life...

...how has the reliability been on the GTi? I haven't stopped by the VW Newsgroups in a long time.

My GTI has been withought a problem except for the Window Regulator service bulletin. I never had the "dropped-window" problem because mine was fixed before hand. Other than that, I'm a very happy owner. I was thinking of a Z-Engineering supercharger at one time, but I don't drive it enough to make many mods to.

Reliability on my Prelude, on the other hand, has been a joke. But, I'm a loyal Honda fan and I at least love the 5th gen design. What problems have I had, here we go:

Rack and Pinion unit replaced @ 35k miles.
Tail-light wiring harnesses relpaced (kept blowing fuses).
ABS unit replaced.
BallJoints replaced (after they were replaced for the recall).
Replaced clutch/ignition switch.
Replaced Piston rings for excessive oil consumption.
Replaced Engine due to bad oil pump (lost VTEC @ about 7krpm.

My new 99 engine runs great, still stuck in the 97 body, though. My new problem is that the if the key is in the ignition and the power is on, closing the driver's door will lock the car... go figure.

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nTG
g5 SH / g3 GSR / E39 540iSC / MKIV GTI VR6 / EF CIVIC Hatchback

ThatPreludeGuy · Mar 30, 2001

Originally posted by genyosai:

Rack and Pinion unit replaced @ 35k miles.
Tail-light wiring harnesses relpaced (kept blowing fuses).
ABS unit replaced.
BallJoints replaced (after they were replaced for the recall).
Replaced clutch/ignition switch.
Replaced Piston rings for excessive oil consumption.
Replaced Engine due to bad oil pump (lost VTEC @ about 7krpm.

Shocking! I've only had fit and finish problems with my car...which BTW I find to be enough to sell the F-ing thing at least three times a week. As for the VW that's shocking to me as well. I used to have a GTi 8V and it blew! 13 trips to the dealer in the first 6 months and it had the trans replaced twice within the first 10K...after that I swore them off forever.

genyosai · Mar 30, 2001

Originally posted by THATPRELUDEGUY:
Shocking! I've only had fit and finish problems with my car...which BTW I find to be enough to sell the F-ing thing at least three times a week. As for the VW that's shocking to me as well. I used to have a GTi 8V and it blew! 13 trips to the dealer in the first 6 months and it had the trans replaced twice within the first 10K...after that I swore them off forever.

What year was that GTi 8v?? Ferdinand Peiche(sp) (not porsche), has really made a come back of VW IMO. As for the Prelude, you sound like me. Mine has been for sale SO many times. I've had offers (money in hand) for the car, only to let my feelings get in the way... resulting in a NO SALE (talking the buyer out of the deal

).

It's getting a total make-over, now. I'm in process of pulling the engine and all engine-bay components, interior, etc. for a change from Nordic Mist Metallic to Phoenix Yellow. I wanted Sparkle Yellow Metallic, but the UK paint code for that color has no mixing reference here. While the engine is out, the head and euro R intake manifold goes to Extrudehone. Once those are back, it goes back together with Type S pistons, camshafts, valves and springs. The suspension is done, new road wheels are on the way (look like Mugen mf8's, but gunmetal gray). Also need to order the Mugen front bumper, skirts, and rear spoiler before the paint job as well as the jdm fogs. I have the carbon hood for it. After the motor is back in... Drag genIII turbo and new exhaust. Then I'm done with this one

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nTG
g5 SH / g3 GSR / E39 540iSC / MKIV GTI VR6 / EF CIVIC Hatchback

genyosai · Mar 30, 2001

Originally posted by 71dsp:
Gee that e-mail sounds familiar, I wrote an e-mail that 99% of this message is taken from (cut and pasted, with some interesting modifications). Where did you get it (does the place have initials IP)? Nothing against you, but I get a little ticked when people cut and paste my stuff without credit.

Do you have these parts yet?

You realize that you will have to source an entire engine harness just to get that connector? I wouldn't do it any other way, it's ghetto unless you use the connector.

Also, some machining needs to be done to the injector ports.

One other thing, whoever you got this from, forgot to mention that we are not even sure that the car will idle with this different IAC, there could be erratic idle issues, it could idle too high, too low, etc.

How much are you paying for this stuff?

Yep! You hit it on the head! I just forwarded what was sent to me. I sold them the throttle body off of my first Prelude motor (1997 motor). So you're "the guy" as the email to me states, that we're waiting on before I can get anything (that's what my "in process of getting" means in the first message of this thread).

If you're not too pissed by now... let me know how it goes. And "yes"... I know about the harness issue.

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nTG
g5 SH / g3 GSR / E39 540iSC / MKIV GTI VR6 / EF CIVIC Hatchback

ThatPreludeGuy · Mar 30, 2001

Originally posted by genyosai:
What year was that GTi 8v?? Ferdinand Peiche(sp) (not porsche), has really made a come back of VW IMO. As for the Prelude, you sound like me. Mine has been for sale SO many times. I've had offers (money in hand) for the car, only to let my feelings get in the way... resulting in a NO SALE (talking the buyer out of the deal

).

It's getting a total make-over, now. I'm in process of pulling the engine and all engine-bay components, interior, etc. for a change from Nordic Mist Metallic to Phoenix Yellow. I wanted Sparkle Yellow Metallic, but the UK paint code for that color has no mixing reference here. While the engine is out, the head and euro R intake manifold goes to Extrudehone. Once those are back, it goes back together with Type S pistons, camshafts, valves and springs. The suspension is done, new road wheels are on the way (look like Mugen mf8's, but gunmetal gray). Also need to order the Mugen front bumper, skirts, and rear spoiler before the paint job as well as the jdm fogs. I have the carbon hood for it. After the motor is back in... Drag genIII turbo and new exhaust. Then I'm done with this one

My Golf was actually a '95 Golf Sport (yeah right) that was a Limited Edition in '94 then a sport in '95 and all of a sudden with new wheels it became a "GTi" from '96 up.

And that's ALL your doing to the 'lude? Man seems like hardly anything at all

genyosai · Mar 30, 2001

Originally posted by vabeach_lude:
How much hp is the 540 putting down??

According to the dyno run here in town, 417 at the rear wheel. It has an ERT supercharger on it that uses a Vortech blower like Dinan's kit. The difference?? Dinan costs twice as much as ERT's kit.

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nTG
g5 SH / g3 GSR / E39 540iSC / MKIV GTI VR6 / EF CIVIC Hatchback

genyosai · Mar 30, 2001

Originally posted by THATPRELUDEGUY:
My Golf was actually a '95 Golf Sport (yeah right) that was a Limited Edition in '94 then a sport in '95 and all of a sudden with new wheels it became a "GTi" from '96 up.

And that's ALL your doing to the 'lude? Man seems like hardly anything at all

Reliability has really changed for the better since 1997.

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nTG
g5 SH / g3 GSR / E39 540iSC / MKIV GTI VR6 / EF CIVIC Hatchback

genyosai · Mar 30, 2001

Originally posted by THATPRELUDEGUY:
My Golf was actually a '95 Golf Sport (yeah right) that was a Limited Edition in '94 then a sport in '95 and all of a sudden with new wheels it became a "GTi" from '96 up.

And that's ALL your doing to the 'lude? Man seems like hardly anything at all

I just hope that this Euro R manifold thing works out. If it turns out to be too much trouble, I'll just get a Venom manifold and fuel rail.

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nTG
g5 SH / g3 GSR / E39 540iSC / MKIV GTI VR6 / EF CIVIC Hatchback

genyosai · Mar 30, 2001

Originally posted by vabeach_lude:
How much hp is the 540 putting down??

Went to your site? Is that red Prelude yours? Nice. but I have to ask... did you intend to put your rims on that way? In the pic you have a right directional wheel and a left directional wheel on each side (looking at the left side of your car).

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nTG
g5 SH / g3 GSR / E39 540iSC / MKIV GTI VR6 / EF CIVIC Hatchback

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