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Old 03-02-2006, 01:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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GB: Kaixen HID KITS for PO members! One of the worlds best HID systems on the market!

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I just became a new sponsor here.

And I'm here to offer PO members a great deal on one of the highest quality HID kits on the market - KAIXEN HID SYSTEMS.

Many of you are probably not fully aware of Kaixen HID Kits.
This is because Kaixen HID kits have been sold in offline-retail stores (mostly stores that cater to highend cars) until just recently.

Started in 1999, KAIXEN has sold HID kits under special license from Philips and Hella Osram. Since 2003, they have hired their own group of engineers and made advancements in the HID manufacturing industry. Currently, they are the only other company in the world that has developed the diamond shape bulbs next to Philips. All of their bulbs and ballasts are developed and tested under strict quality control from their facilities in South Korea.

KAIXEN HID Kits are sold in over 40 different countries. It's the #2 most sold in Europe, and Australia right after OEM HID kits. Retail prices range from $399 USD to $599 in certain select stores across the world.

Only recently, Kaixen has decided to compete on the "online market" with the other Chinese / Taiwan made brands. This is one of the reasons why you may not have heard of KAIXEN HID KITS.

However, unlike other brands, Kaixen HID kits have solid reputation for quality and service. And don't just take our word for it, research the brand, and you'll see a lot of positive responses.

To start, a quick overview of HID KITs:



The difference in light output is like night and day when compared with traditional halogen bulbs.

HID's are 3 X brighter than any Halogen bulbs. Typical halogen bulbs will give you anywhere between 500 to 1000 Lumens, while consuming 55 watts or more. HID on the other hand will give you 3200 Lumens (based on 4300K) which is more than 3 times the light output of halogens.

IT also lasts almost 10 times longer than halogens. HID bulbs will last around 2500 hours of usage. This means, it will last around 3 to 5 years of regular usage. Unlike $30 xenon bulbs that has a life expectancy of only a few months while causing risk of wire burn outs (due to extra power consumption).




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More about Kaixen HID KITS:



KEY FACTS:
1. These are 100% genuine Made in Korea brand.
2. Kaixen HID kits were first sold using Philips / Matshu****a ballasts and bulbs starting in 1999. Since then, Kaixen has recieved its own license as well as hiring several key engineers from Germany to develop its own high quality ballast / bulbs since 2002.
3. Only other company other than Philips to develop the diamond-cut bulbs.
4. Kaixen is ISO2001 registered, E13 certified, KQA quality assurance certified.
5. All Kits are made direct from the factory, and are not "rebased" as most Philips HID kits are made.
6. Fit and finish quality is second to none.
7. Quality comparable if not better than OEM material.
8. Comes with 1-year full replacement warranty (ship back to Toronto, Canada).


Competitive comparision:
1. Made in China / Taiwan products: Yes, it's cheap. But not by large margins. Although "Made in China" products have improved in recent years, most of the HID manufacturers in China are poorly managed, uses cheap labour (more risk of defects), uses cheaper raw materials (risk of defects), and fit and finish is poor compared to other Korean / Japanese / German brands. There's a reason why many of these kits (mostly sold on EBAY) are sold for around $200 or $250. It's because it costs that much less to build, many times, cutting corners in areas that shouldn't be cut. Best way to sum it up: "you get what you pay for".

2. OEM / Philips: Direct OEM replacements cost around $600 per one side (over $1000 for both sets). Therefore, many people go to the "next bext thing" = Philips. However, what most people dont know is that Philips do not make variety of sizes. Philip's buyers (like Audi do not use all variations of sizes). This is why many resellers "rebase" the Philips bulbs to make it fit into sizes that are not originally made from Philips factory. There is a risk of product defect because of this modification. This is also another reason that many Philips kit's warranty is only valid from the reseller, and not from Philips head office.

As a comparision, Kaixen manufacturers ALL sizes and colours directly from their manufacturing facility in South Korea. There is no rebasing or modification done outside of the factory, and all warranty is offered directly from Kaixen.


Here are some pictures of other cars with Kaixen HID Kits:





Colours available:
4300K (OEM), 5000K (Crystal Natural), 6000K (Crystal White), 6500K (Crystal Purple), 8500K (Crystal Blue).

Less Kelvins (K) has better Lumens (Brightness).
More Kelvins (K) has more Colours.



And finally, the price:
Group buy price of 10 members:
$295 USD plus $19.95 USD shipping to anywhere in the 48-US / Canada.
Pick up is available for Toronto locations. Pick up price is $295 USD or $340 CAD.


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You dont need to wait until 10 members are filled up. Your order will go through every Tuesday of the week.

The group buy has a time limit of 1 month from today, or when 10 buyers have been filled.


To secure your placement in the GB, you must send $50 USD via paypal. Email: sales@autodoodad.com You must send in the remainder prior to the shipping date for your kit, otherwise, it will be held.

It takes 5 to 10 days for Kaixen to prep the HID kits, and another week or so to have them shipped to me. I will than ship them via Express Post (4 business day delivery).
Total expected time of delivery after GB is complete is 2 to 3 weeks.


Feel free to contact me at any time for questions or comments.

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hmm..not to be an asshole or anything, but you can get them for pretty much the same price on ebay. Shouldnt the price be a bit lower, especially for 10 ppl? just giving everyone a heads up.
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My guess on his reply..

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1. Made in China / Taiwan products: Yes, it's cheap. But not by large margins. Although "Made in China" products have improved in recent years, most of the HID manufacturers in China are poorly managed, uses cheap labour (more risk of defects), uses cheaper raw materials (risk of defects), and fit and finish is poor compared to other Korean / Japanese / German brands. There's a reason why many of these kits (mostly sold on EBAY) are sold for around $200 or $250. It's because it costs that much less to build, many times, cutting corners in areas that shouldn't be cut. Best way to sum it up: "you get what you pay for".
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I would re-consider if this was hella/phillip hid kit, but Kaixen sounds like a lame ninja with a wooden sword-no go
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hi guys,

i havent checked ebay lately - so my bad. Until very recently, Kaixen did not allow any of its resellers to sell on ebay. They didnt want a "price war" between the resellers as that made several other companies and resellers go out of business.

However, after many proposals, they decided to let resellers sell on ebay only on in-stock items. as a "overstock sale".

I will do this guys, I'll sell them for $300 shipped.
Lowest price on ebay i found was $295 plus $19.99 shipping.


Plus, this isnt really a "group buy" since you dont have to wait for 10 people to buy. When you order, your order goes in right away.

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Kaixen actually did use hella and philips before. They had official license from them to use their ballasts. However, after 2 years the defect rates were above 15% on the Philips units. They were losing more money by selling Philips ballasts on warranty upkeep.

This is also supported by so many customers of Philips having problems with their kit. Not sure what the response is from here, but if you search on other forums - such as clubrsx.com, you can find probably 1 in every 6 to 7 Philips customers posting complaints about how something went wrong with their kit.

It's a common misconception that, just because they are a "brand name" doesnt mean they make the best in the world. Philips do not make HID ballasts only. They don't specialize nor focus in that area.

Bulbs:
Philips bulbs are all rebased from D2S OEM bulbs. Its another misconception that people think Philips bulbs are the best. It is - but only in stock D2S OEM. As soon as someone (reseller) modifies the bulbs, the "factory quality" of the bulb is compromised.
Also, for some bulb types, like H4, H3, etc., the length of the bulb is different than D2C. So the Philips resellers often times use third-party bulbs for it.

Lastly, Philips does not recognize the sale of its products on the aftermarket hid. Thus they dont even offer or honor warranty on their products. All the warranty goes through the reseller, not Philips.


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Kaixen is actually a very established and recognized name in HID around the world. In Australia, it is probably the biggest name in aftermarket HID.
It's the second largest manufacturer of HID in Korea, and has the most exports out of any HID company in the world - selling to over 44 countries.

Our defect rates are virtually "0" - our last defect was a bulb (it was scratched up pretty bad during install) in 2003. Normaly this is the customers fault, but we replaced it eitherway.


It's a choice guys ...
THere are tons of Made in China HID kits which has extremely high defect and burn rates ... which you can get them for around $200 or $250 shipped.

Than you have Made in Korea HID kits like Kaixen, with reputable quality and service, for around $300 shipped.

Or you can pay additional $50 to $100 for a re-based bulb Philips kit for the name brand.


Hope above info helped in anyway.
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I have jdm 4th gen headlights. I don't know much about HID kits and have really never been interested because of the price of retrofits. I have heard PnP has more glare, etc. You wouldn't by chance have pictures of the light beam on preludes? My headlights use stock h4s for lows and h1s for highs. i would be considering buying since the light output of my headlights right now is much lower than the usdm headlights. so basically i would just splice in the harness and mount the ballast? thats it?
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I have jdm 4th gen headlights. I don't know much about HID kits and have really never been interested because of the price of retrofits. I have heard PnP has more glare, etc. You wouldn't by chance have pictures of the light beam on preludes? My headlights use stock h4s for lows and h1s for highs. i would be considering buying since the light output of my headlights right now is much lower than the usdm headlights. so basically i would just splice in the harness and mount the ballast? thats it?
your H4's are high and low beams..... maybe the seller here has a bixenon kit for your application. The H1's are Fogs/driving lights I think..... what do i know..i used to have a 5th gen.
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Proof of Philips kits going bad:
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=357506

Feedback from guys who bought Kaixen:
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=350275
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=360015
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=341647
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I have jdm 4th gen headlights. I don't know much about HID kits and have really never been interested because of the price of retrofits. I have heard PnP has more glare, etc. You wouldn't by chance have pictures of the light beam on preludes? My headlights use stock h4s for lows and h1s for highs. i would be considering buying since the light output of my headlights right now is much lower than the usdm headlights. so basically i would just splice in the harness and mount the ballast? thats it?
If your car takes H4, than its bixenon (low beam and high beam).

It's very important to read this:

Many of the "glare" issues that are caused are from the housing, not the bulb.
It's also another misconception that HID = glare.
HID provides 3 times more brightness, but the glare is controlled by the housing.

H4 housing is designed so that it does low beam and high beam functions together by controlling the power output on the halogen bulbs (55 watts vs. 100 watts for high beam).

However, when it comes to HID's, there's no wattage control. It's constant at 35 watts @ watever Kelvin you get.

The reason why some people get excessive glare is because they are using HID bulbs that does not have anti-glare shielding on the H4 housing.

Without this shield, you are basically running around with high beam x 3 !!!

No wonder why people get pulled over and cause blinding effects for oncoming cars. It's dangerous for you and for other drivers.


There's two ways to solve this:

1. Retrofit projectors into your housing - this provides a very crisp cut off line.
2. Use anti-glare shielded bulbs


Now, Kaixen HID H4 kits comes with the anti-glare shielding:

See picture below:




This is a picture of one of the customers who put H4 bixenons on her Rx7:



Although it's not "crisp" cut off line like the projectors, it also doesnt cost you $200 ~ $300 for the retrofit.


You have the option of going low beam H4 (H4S), or dual beam bixenons (H4D).
Kaixen bixenons are slider function (as oppose to the xenon halogen bulb ones).
They cost additional $70 due to the extra components for the bixenons.


Hope this helps!
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I mean this is no way to bash your thread. But please check your sources before making false claims. The Phillips kit that "went bad" link is not a phillips kit. It is a XenonDepot Xtreme HID kit, which was NEVER marketed as a kit based on Phillips parts. The PHILLIPS based parts ONLY come in 3000k, 4300K, and 6000K. The one in question on the ClubRSX forum was a XD 6500K Xtreme kit.

Furthermore Phillips does not actually make kits, therefore there is no way to warranty and control the quality of a Phillips modified/rebased kit. So yeah, they can go wrong just like any other junk kit.

I'm not fully against kits. I just hope that buyers are fully aware of the products they are buying and aren't mislead through false advertising.
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I mean this is no way to bash your thread. But please check your sources before making false claims. The Phillips kit that "went bad" link is not a phillips kit. It is a XenonDepot Xtreme HID kit, which was NEVER marketed as a kit based on Phillips parts. The PHILLIPS based parts ONLY come in 3000k, 4300K, and 6000K. The one in question on the ClubRSX forum was a XD 6500K Xtreme kit.

Furthermore Phillips does not actually make kits, therefore there is no way to warranty and control the quality of a Phillips modified/rebased kit. So yeah, they can go wrong just like any other junk kit.

I'm not fully against kits. I just hope that buyers are fully aware of the products they are buying and aren't mislead through false advertising.
Oh, my bad, I didn't read through that thread completely.

I browse through these forums frequently and I notice how many of them have problems with their HID kits.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=358857

That is 4300K from XD (Philips) I believe.


I never post these, and I won't from now on. I got carried away trying to make a statement.

Again, i should restate that its all about options for buyers.

I'm not in anyway trying to mislead anyone.

Actually, on the contrary, the whole point of me talking about Philips was so that people understand the fact that Philips aren't always the "rock solid reliable brand" that everyone thinks it is.


By the way, great job on the retrofits! TSX projectors provide a very nice cut-off line. They must've cost you big bucks though. Good job~
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thanks for the clarification. on the jdm headlights, they don't use the h4 for highbeams, some ppl wire in that way but mine is just straightforward.

thanks, i'll make a decision sometime
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Oh, my bad, I didn't read through that thread completely.

I browse through these forums frequently and I notice how many of them have problems with their HID kits.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=358857

That is 4300K from XD (Philips) I believe.


I never post these, and I won't from now on. I got carried away trying to make a statement.

Again, i should restate that its all about options for buyers.

I'm not in anyway trying to mislead anyone.

Actually, on the contrary, the whole point of me talking about Philips was so that people understand the fact that Philips aren't always the "rock solid reliable brand" that everyone thinks it is.


By the way, great job on the retrofits! TSX projectors provide a very nice cut-off line. They must've cost you big bucks though. Good job~
Thanks for the clarification. I'm not trying to rag on ya... but I browse clubrsx from time to time and was familiar with the threads you posted before I even clicked on them hah. Thanks for your comments on the retrofit and good luck with your sales.
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thanks for the clarification. on the jdm headlights, they don't use the h4 for highbeams, some ppl wire in that way but mine is just straightforward.

thanks, i'll make a decision sometime
yeah, it doesnt matter whether you use high beam on your H4 housing or not. AS long as the housing is designed for H4 bulbs, it will have very bad glare issues unless you retrofit with projectors or use HID bulbs with anti-glare shielding.

Never get or use HID bulbs on H4 (or H3, 9007) housings without the anti-glare shielding. It's unsafe and you will most likely get pulled over by the cops.
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i remember a lot of the Ht sponsor dropped the Kaizen hid kit becuz of poor quality!
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your H4's are high and low beams..... maybe the seller here has a bixenon kit for your application. The H1's are Fogs/driving lights I think..... what do i know..i used to have a 5th gen.
Yes let me correct you politely for everyones' refrence.

JDMs only use the low side of an H4, when you turn brights on the H1s come on with the low H4s.
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i remember a lot of the Ht sponsor dropped the Kaizen hid kit becuz of poor quality!
actually, only one reseller - JBL did that.
And it was not due to poor quality.

I know this story very well. JBL and Kaixen's USA-west distributor had disputes over something and their relationship went sour. The way I see it, it was all a big misunderstanding on both sides, but they didnt resolve it properly.

The distributor also sold Luminics bulbs - which are not in any way affiliated with Kaixen. The quality of Luminics bulbs should not have reflected to Kaixen, but it did.

JBL claimed that Luminics bulbs blew out fast. They also claimed that Kaixen had manufacturer defect wiring problem. Now, the thing is, if this was a manufacturer defect, theres always a warranty that will take care of it. - But the distributor didnt take care of that. (from what I read)

Kaixen head office also had no idea that this was going on.

Now the claim that the wiring is defective - completely false.
For some Hondas using 9006 application, ... for some reason, the stock wiring harness on the car has reversed polarity. Kaixen HID kits are plug and play style. So they come with "universal settings".

However, some cars - specifically Integras, have this issue where you have to reverse the polarity (male to female connector) to make it work.

IT also does NOT void warranty like what JBL has claimed.


So in conclusion:

It's not a manufacturer defect, and it only occurs on certain Hondas that use 9006. No other car, or sizes have this problem - including Preludes.

Even if you do get the 9006 for your integra, all you need to do is just reverse the polarity which takes literally 2 seconds to do.

It does NOT void the warranty in any way.


If you search google, or in any other forums, you will not find any negative feedback or reviews of Kaixen HID kits. The one from Honda Tech was the only one that I could find and it wasn't true.
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What's the price in Canadian $ shipped for the 6000K with the built in cutoff cover.

This is for a 5th gen so it'll be an H1 housing. I would pick it up but I think shipping it would be better than a 4hr drive.
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What's the price in Canadian $ shipped for the 6000K with the built in cutoff cover.

This is for a 5th gen so it'll be an H1 housing. I would pick it up but I think shipping it would be better than a 4hr drive.
Shipping within Canada is done via Canada Post Expedited - 4 business day shipping. Price in CAD is $340 shipped.

Shipping via UPS in Canada is overpriced.



Also, the cut-off cover shield is only for the H4 applications, not H1.
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Yes let me correct you politely for everyones' refrence.

JDMs only use the low side of an H4, when you turn brights on the H1s come on with the low H4s.
thanks for the correction! I konw some people like to make the h1's the driving lights/fog lights.
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