v3 is done, this one took about 80 hours over the holiday to make. It'll be going down to NTPOG for testing. The production version will be similar to this one, except that it will be TIG welded, will have a longer flex pipe and no slip fit section after the collector, top slpi joints will have better connection hardware and other minor difference. I hate Michigan weather, its difficult to weld when its freezing and there is 6" of snow on the ground. Anyone want to lend me a heated garage and a TIG setup?
The plan right now is to install the header on my SH for 1 week, just to make sure all my welds are tight etc, then i'll send it down to NTPOG so they can do fit test on base and 4th gen vtec, and do some dyno testing (i dont know if there is a blown prelude at NTPOG that could be tested on). Then i'll get it back (maybe we could put in on paulace's jsrc lude then). And finnaly it will go to the fab company for tooling and then onto production... It all sounds so simple
Once i get it back from NTPOG i'll start making a list of interested customers. I'll need at least 15 to do any production at all. Total price (as i see it now) will be *around* $600 . It will be ceramic coated, 16ga mild steel, 3/8" flanges etc etc.
Im realy excited to get this header on my car (if only for a few days at first), i think it will do better then the v1 and v2. Sorry, im not going to talk about design changes or specs till the patent is granted The reason why, you ask? I've heard bad stories
about places like DC and Imagine stealing designs (DC up and took all of JR's header designs back in the day, they used to do fab work for JR). Anyway, enough with the hate.
I think that after my wife is done with school, we'll move somewhere warm for awhile... Thanks for all the interest guys, I'm doing my best to complete the project!
ps- hey Chad and/or Grant i keap getting PMs about people wanting 2.5 and 2.25" "house" flanges, want to do a short run?
Originally posted by leptolude Im realy excited to get this header on my car (if only for a few days at first), i think it will do better then the v1 and v2. Sorry, im not going to talk about design changes or specs till the patent is granted The reason why, you ask? I've heard bad stories
No problem man. I know that all the indepth info about this header will be kept quite for obvious reasons. I just assumed that there was something pretty noticably restrictive on the inital designs that you changed. I am pretty curious about this first 4-1 design and how the h22 reacts to it. That's all.
Good luck with everything. Hope all the hard work pays off.
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A provisoinal patent should be enough to prevent that, and that can be granted with minimal cash outlay and work on your part. Let me know if you need more info.
lol, as for the flanges. The last PM I got wanted to get them for ~$10 each. including the fee you mentioned (~$5 IIRC) So that's $5 to me for a custom machined steel flange? shipped? That won't even cover material, much less shipping. If there was interest from a LOT of people, sure, I'd be game. Honestly, not at that price though, I've got too much other crap going on.
Originally posted by Vapor lol, as for the flanges. The last PM I got wanted to get them for ~$10 each. including the fee you mentioned (~$5 IIRC) So that's $5 to me for a custom machined steel flange? shipped? That won't even cover material, much less shipping. If there was interest from a LOT of people, sure, I'd be game. Honestly, not at that price though, I've got too much other crap going on.
Instead of rolling your eyes (I assume it was at me), why not offer an alternative pricing? I have no idea what your material/equipment costs are, but you should be able to figure that out and come up with a reasonable profit margin, including Brett's share, along with the quantity you would need to sell for it to be worthwhile. But it's kool, sounds like you're too busy. I just thought it was a good idea...but I guess I was wrong.
Can we try this header on my JRSC'd lude after it comes back from NTPOG? I PM'd you about Going to the dyno pretty soon, but I can wait till the V3 gets back if you'd like. What I could do is tune my hondata on my DC header, then swap in the V2 or V3 and compare the results all in the same day.
Are the differances from the V2 and the V3 major? or just for manufacturing?
i had rolled the lude out of the driveway last week, with no manifold on it, figureing that i wqould push it back in for the install. Then it snowed!!! So i had to call a tow truck to come out and tow/push the car 20' back into the garage (i tried pushing, im a deccent sized guy, but it wouldnt budge).
I took the morning off to put the header on, turns out i'll have to re-cut and weld the 1 and 3 bottom pipes, i should have trial fit them when i was tack welding, but i was in a rush... sigh. That'll take me a few days.
Palauce, id love to put one of my headers on your car for testing, after i re-build, have it coated, sent to NTPOG and get it back, lets set up a time. Thanks for being patient, i've been busting my ass to do this as fast as possibel (maybe if i took more time i wouldnt have made the last mistake ).
kool, yeah cusotm flanges arent cheap... I'll PM Chad and Grant to figure out how much it would cost, but i need to complete the prototoype before i undertake anyhting else.
I almoast cried this morning when i found that i mis positioned the 1 and 3 pipes... notice how the stick out in the pic... i should have test fit it first. The production version will be perfect though!
Who is your NTPOG contact? Todd I presume, anyway, I have a 4th gen VTEC and Would be more than glad to give it a go once you send it down here. If it actually fits and the gains are decent, you might have my name at the very top of the 4th Genners waiting list.
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Originally posted by Kool-Lude
Instead of rolling your eyes (I assume it was at me), why not offer an alternative pricing?
because I wasn't rolling my eyes at you. It was more for leptolude, he knows what a PITA those things were. not because of getting them cut, but because of all the crap I had going on at the time. I lost a house in the hurricane, got a second job, changed jobs, all sorts of crap. I was reliving hte nightmare through emoticons.
and I wasn't singling you out either. you were jsut the last one I got, and you weren't the cheapest offer either. If I were bulk running them, that's about what I'd charge I guess. and by bulk I mean making a hundred of them or so. If more interest came up, I planned on getting in touch with you through PM, but as of right now, it's not really something I can do that cheaply.
sorry if you took offense to that, it wasn't meant that way.
Originally posted by Vapor because I wasn't rolling my eyes at you. It was more for leptolude, he knows what a PITA those things were. not because of getting them cut, but because of all the crap I had going on at the time. I lost a house in the hurricane, got a second job, changed jobs, all sorts of crap. I was reliving hte nightmare through emoticons.
sorry if you took offense to that, it wasn't meant that way.
No, I'm sorry ...I jumped the gun here. No worries bro
Originally posted by leptolude last night was a trip...
and I thought I had a bad night. that sucks dude.
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Originally posted by leptolude kool, yeah cusotm flanges arent cheap... I'll PM Chad and Grant to figure out how much it would cost, but i need to complete the prototoype before i undertake anyhting else.
Don't bother bro... you guys have way too much going on to worry about some silly little flanges. I've got other options to pursue. Thanks anyways
I'll re-build the bottom section this weekend, i could try and re-do just the 1&3, but in order to get the torch around the pipe for the weld, id have to cut-re-weld them in a spot that wouldnt look so good. Thats what i get for rushing
I'll organize a short flange run after i get the header off to NTPOG...
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looking good! i'm on the edge of my seat for s'more dyno results.
The reason why, you ask? I've heard bad stories 
The last PM I got wanted to get them for ~$10 each. including the fee you mentioned (~$5 IIRC) So that's $5 to me for a custom machined steel flange? shipped? That won't even cover material, much less shipping. If there was interest from a LOT of people, sure, I'd be game. Honestly, not at that price though, I've got too much other crap going on.
...I jumped the gun here. No worries bro 
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