You guys bring up very good points. I think so far this is the best discussion on this subject I've read so far.
Thanks Ritteri and Joon525 for the help.
I think i'm with you on this Joon as far as being lost on the decision process. I spoke to Dan Yi on a few occasions asking him about his set up and from what i understand he was very happy with it. Despite his OIL LEAK. I also spoke to another owner a few years back who had SS and had gotten the stage 2 cams with the whole valvetrain. He calimed that the car was much much better and he was beating 5spds with ease. So it seems that Stage 2 does provide with good gains.
Ritteri on your comment about stage 3 vs stage 2, I would still rather feel safer going with stage 2 knowing the fact it offers a better idle. reliability is my biggest factor over CRAZY HP gains. My budget doesnt call for error or experimenting. When it comes to modding i rather get something that will get me a sure bet for the buck and elliminate the break down. So although you might be right about better gains with stage 3, i think safer route would be stage 2.
I would love to hear from NTPOG members on this some more since they have a few guys who know the deal. If someone can post this to them i would be appreciated.
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Ritteri on your comment about stage 3 vs stage 2, I would still rather feel safer going with stage 2 knowing the fact it offers a better idle.
Im actually glad you brought up that point too. I at first was worried about "idle quality" and was strongly looking at getting Stage 2 crowers(the ones with the stock idle lobe). But then after doing more and more research, talking to people with "agressive" cams. I decided to get the most radical mass produced cam available for the engine without going into custom grinds. That led me to the Skunk2 Stage 2 camshaft which is more agressive that the Crower Stage 3 unit. First impression when the motor was cranked over for the first time was that it still felt stock. Maybe just a bit more "rumbly", but the engine still purred nicely while on idle. I was actually dissapointed because of this. I actually though I just blew $800 bucks, until I mashed the pedal for the first time. As for reliability, I feel my engine is more reliable now than it was stock.Its just that now the engine is finally showing its true potential. All of the components are OEM quality or better.
I'm actually not going for Crower Stage 2 with stock lobes. I'm getting the one with Non stock lobes. I guess they are a bitmore aggressive then the stock lobes once. I know that the stock lobes would not show as good of a gain plus i will not feel it as much, but with the NON stock lobes i should be able to see gains from low end and up.
Still retaining my OEM valvetrain. According to crower, you can still run the OEM internals if you dont plan to go above 8k redline. So since i have auto tranny and not planing to swap it out any time soon. It seems like a better choice .....wouldnt you agree.
I thought about Skunk2 but... umm i dunno. Not to many people have them and they seem to be a bit more on a wild side.
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To hit on a different point, regardless of what cam you do, I would still get new springs and retainers. This is just something that should be done regardless of the stage you get. Remember that "reliability issue" that is important to you?
i understand your point, but from what i got from Crower information, seems like i will not need a new valvetrain since i wont be going over the 8k red line.
Plus despite having importance of reliability there is also issue of money here as well. SO i'm basically trying to do a good set up on a very tight budget.
By the way... i been reading your fight about skunk2 st2 cams with Satan...whats the deal who is right?
Also ...since you did more research on this.... CROWER vs SKUNK2 both st2 cams, which one is more agressive and by how much? What does Skunk2 promises gain wise as oppose to crower.
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Originally posted by SK Honda 7 I also spoke to another owner a few years back who had SS and had gotten the stage 2 cams with the whole valvetrain. He calimed that the car was much much better and he was beating 5spds with ease.
Don't use that as a "push" to buy the Stage2's. Do it for other reasons.
Originally posted by SK Honda 7 Still retaining my OEM valvetrain. According to crower, you can still run the OEM internals if you dont plan to go above 8k redline. So since i have auto tranny and not planing to swap it out any time soon. It seems like a better choice .....wouldnt you agree.
I wouldn't (to a degree).
On Crower's site they tell you that they recommend the springs/retainers for the 63422's.
Those are the ones that Dan Yi had and if I remember correctly he even stated himself that he had planned on getting the springs and retainers even though he didn't have them at the time.
Stage1's still make power, I have anubyss's dyno plot that shows where he got the power and yes there was an increase in the low end as well as top end. His dyno is what makes this a complicated issue for me.
But it's your car and money in the end.
(I'm still undecided)
Advantages : greater range of cam profiles to choose from, excellent manufacturing process, and dealer who knows what the hell the specs are .
It looks like they have pricing up now. Still a little more pricey at $700 per set. Also, they don't have dynos of the H series yet (although I bet you could order them if you wanted).
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To reiterate Artifex' point there are other cams out there that no one pays attention too....I KNOW that web cams and cat cams both have units for the H22.....ill dig up some links in a minute.....
Actually I have heard of Ef-1, alot of good things too. But in all honesty their blanks are no better than Skunk's or Crower's even. Both of which can make custom grinds. This isnt anything new. Same with web cams.
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Nothing has changed.
As for reliability, I feel my engine is more reliable now than it was stock.Its just that now the engine is finally showing its true potential. All of the components are OEM quality or better.
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