it's an ok price. the crower stage 2 don't require the valvetrain with the stock rev-limit. that seems like code for 'buy it now or regret it later' to me. might as well while you are in there...
Originally posted by SK Honda 7 so do you all think i will need the springs and retainers or can i live without them and save a buck?
You know that there are two versions of the Stage2's right? One requires them and one is supposed to be OK unless you plan to go beyond the stock rev limiter. Call Crower and do more research first.
Originally posted by Joon525
You know that there are two versions of the Stage2's right? One requires them and one is supposed to be OK unless you plan to go beyond the stock rev limiter. Call Crower and do more research first.
I did call crower. The guy who i spoke to didnt know jack. He barely wanted to answer questions and it felt like he was in a hurry to get off the phone. I asked if i should get the springs and he said yes, then i said well the web site states otherwise. then he tells me to follow what the web site says. I mean does that sound like someone trying to help you our.
I think i would get better results on my own just asking here.
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Originally posted by SK Honda 7
I did call crower. The guy who i spoke to didnt know jack. He barely wanted to answer questions and it felt like he was in a hurry to get off the phone. I asked if i should get the springs and he said yes, then i said well the web site states otherwise. then he tells me to follow what the web site says. I mean does that sound like someone trying to help you our.
I think i would get better results on my own just asking here.
I just got off the phone with them myself and the guy I talked to was totally cool about everything. Guess you just had bad luck in getting a "bad" representative. (?)
hey make sure you get the vailtrain, don't be stupid like me and get it w/o man. I missshift and now i need it. Well i mean if you misshift you will need it, but i think if i didn't i won't need it, b/c when i misshifted i took it up to 9899 rpm, so do get it. My car is waitting for the head to get back now b/c i got pnp on it
Originally posted by Dragazn hey make sure you get the vailtrain, don't be stupid like me and get it w/o man. I missshift and now i need it. Well i mean if you misshift you will need it, but i think if i didn't i won't need it, b/c when i misshifted i took it up to 9899 rpm, so do get it. My car is waitting for the head to get back now b/c i got pnp on it
While this is true....if you misshift ANY car bad enough you're standing the chance os messing up the valvetrain regardless of whether or not it's Crower's or the stock system.
get the valvetrain upgrade done. You won't regret it. If you have an additional $900, you could go with the redline series head offered by JG Engine Dynamics. It has everyting done to it. Pnp, valves, dual springs, titanium retainers, etc...check them out.
Originally posted by SK Honda 7 Well the whole problem comes down to money.
I can get about 700 together to buy the cams and then put the rest towards the install.
I dont have to worry about miss shifting is beacuse i have AUTO tranny. So no missing gears here.
Thats why i thought i can do without the whole valvetraain and save a few bucks for other things.
So what do you all think?
This thought occurred to me on the way home from work (your SS tranny). What happens if you try to downshift the SS tranny to 3rd gear when you're at redline in 4th? Does the ECM takeover and not let you do it?
I'm deciding between the stage1 and stage2's right now.....I've been in anubyss's car when he had the stage1's and it still felt pretty damn strong. If I do go ahead with the Stage1's I probably won't be getting the valvetrain.
Originally posted by Joon525
This thought occurred to me on the way home from work (your SS tranny). What happens if you try to downshift the SS tranny to 3rd gear when you're at redline in 4th? Does the ECM takeover and not let you do it?
I'm deciding between the stage1 and stage2's right now.....I've been in anubyss's car when he had the stage1's and it still felt pretty damn strong. If I do go ahead with the Stage1's I probably won't be getting the valvetrain.
Basically, I never RED LINED in 4th and doubt i will. I somehow i doubt it that SS will even let me get to red line in 4th.
If i try to downshift from higher gear to lower it wont let me, ECU must not let you do it
So with that in mind. DO you think valvetrain will be usefull??
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I personally think you should at least do Stage 3 crower's. Stage 2's I think will be a bit of a dissapointment. The engine will sound more "agressive" in Vtec, but the translation to whp(about 8-10whp) isnt all that much for the money your investing. Stage 3 crowers or Stage 2 Skunk2's are the way to go I think. The cam swap on these at least will gain you an honest 15-25whp if tuned correctly and assuming you dont have a crappy OBDII setup.
Well the reason why i want to go Crower Stage 2 is because the car is daily driven and not track car. I need it to be reliable just have a bit more mid range HP in it.
With the cam gears i will be getting along with the cams, i will be able to move the powerband to where i want it or need it. And my VAFC should be good enough to tune it and run it smoothly in daily driving.
Plus my other basic bolt ons shoud be beneficial as well.
Plus my NX WET nitros set up will be a good addition on track days.
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Originally posted by SK Honda 7 So with that in mind. DO you think valvetrain will be usefull??
It can't hurt to have it that's for sure.
I'm a little iffy on it right now too though since I'm still debating on whether to get the stage1's or stage2's. Stage1's might be enough for me and they don't require the valvetrain.
If I DO go with the stage2's then I obviously have a lot more to think about. After speaking to someone at Crower today I'm under the impression that the lift and duration are spec'd to be cutting it close......to me it just meant that your margin of error is now narrower.......but by HOW MUCH? It's really hard to tell.
I was also in Dan Yi's car that had stage2's and it was pretty cool (not dismissing anubyss's stage1's which still felt great) so I'm on the fence on this one.
One thing that I thought of though......stage1's are rated for 12-15 hp and stage2's are rated at 15-18. Given the worst case scenario the difference between these 2 is 6 hp (12 for stage 1 and 18 for stage2).......can you really feel this difference? And WHERE is the difference in the rpm range? Just something else to think about. (Which also sways me to the stage1's).
After reading this post again I'm not sure I helped you any. Maybe someone else can help out.
Well the reason why i want to go Crower Stage 2 is because the car is daily driven and not track car. I need it to be reliable just have a bit more mid range HP in it.
So isnt my car a daily driver. I kind of find it funny how Crower lists their Stage 3 cam for "strip/drag" applications. Someone on this board has em, and he admitted they were still quite tame for daily driven applications. Even my cams are fine for daily driven vehicles. But at least I can now feel an honest difference in the way the car pulls. I just think $600 is alot for an item that wont give you any better gains than say a typical CAI or basic header/high flo cat combo.
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