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Old 01-31-2012, 02:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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cams(opinions wanted)

hey everyone im currently working on a n/a build for my 98 lude im wanting to keep the car a reliable dd and im looking for a reliable cam with good mid range perfomance that will be okay for a street driven car seeing minimal track/strip time. have looked at skunk2 crower and jun but dont know to much about internals and dont wanna spend my money on the wrong thing. also looking at replacing valve springs retainers and valves with this upgrade.
Thanks in advance for the help and opinions, Cory
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if it helps i will be running type s pistons, aem v2 cai, greddy spectrum elite exhaust, magnaflow high flow cat, hytech replica header, euro r intake manifold, unsure of TB at the moment was thinking 64-68mm?, hondata s300, 440cc injectors? not sure dont wanna overkill, aem fuel rail with fpr.
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you need to ask Miniloguy, he will be able to help you out on this.
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you need to ask Miniloguy, he will be able to help you out on this.
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skunk2 pro cams is what you want

and sell that aem v2 and get some nice ebay cai-pipe and then some good filter. that would be much better system

you can get acura rdx 410cc injectors from Rosko with his fuel rail
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skunk2 pro cams is what you want

and sell that aem v2 and get some nice ebay cai-pipe and then some good filter. that would be much better system

you can get acura rdx 410cc injectors from Rosko with his fuel rail
ok appreciate the help man, what valve spring do you run with the skunk2 pros? i noticed on there website they dont list pro valve springs for h-series believe i read somewhere you buy the skunk2 b-series springs and use the spring base seats but im not sure if this is correct.
will the skunk2 pros still keep my factory idle the same and be okay for street use? didnt wanna sound like im repeating myself just wanting to make sure.
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ok appreciate the help man, what valve spring do you run with the skunk2 pros? i noticed on there website they dont list pro valve springs for h-series believe i read somewhere you buy the skunk2 b-series springs and use the spring base seats but im not sure if this is correct.
will the skunk2 pros still keep my factory idle the same and be okay for street use? didnt wanna sound like im repeating myself just wanting to make sure.
well I have tuner valve springs + ti retainers with pro1's there (and skunk2 pro cam gears)...I guess if you plan to get pro2's its better to get those B-serie pro valve springs + spring base kit + ti retainers

pro1's are kinda upgraded versions of tuner 2's so tuner valve spring should be enough in this case but I also thought that I keep my rev limit around 8000

pro1's are supposed to be kinda kick ass street cams, but unfortunately I dont have more experience with them in this point since Im installing them at end of this month

if you live in California there will be emission problems with them(?)
they will require engine management and better injectors
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if i stay with obd2 computer what are my tuning options? also ive heard some videos where the car has a slight knocking sound which they state is due to the stiffer valvetrain. am i gonna get this knock with the pro1's or bc stage2 (havent decided which route im going yet). also how is the idle on these cams? since this will be my daily and see 50-100miles a day. really wanting to go tuner2 or pro1 (leaning towards the pro1's) but i am also considering bc stage 2. i dont plan on uping my rev limiter at the moment if i do probably not over 8k really looking to find a smooth idle with nice mid power gains. will be replacing valve springs, retainers and cam gears along with which ever cams i decide on. i apperciate yalls opinions and suggestions since im new at messing with internals. Thanks
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if you stay obd2, stick to a tuner series stage 1 or 2 cam as they have stock idle properties.

i would highly recommend not doing that. staying OBD compliant and modifying an engine for performance is really ass backwards and a waste of time, IMO
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^This, if you are looking into modifying a car you want better options for tuning than what is possible with OBD2 and if you live somewhere that has inspections then you should either not mod the car or take it off the road and use it for off road purposes.
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i live in nc. not really sure if inspection would be a problem with a obd1 conversion just wasnt trying to push it. i want a n/a performance car but im not trying to go to crazy with this build as it is my daily and i have other projects on my hands at this time. that being said would the skunk2 tuner 2 or brian crower stage 2 be the way to go? not sure how much tuning i can do right now with the obd2 computer and id like to keep a somewhat reasonable idle for daily driving. appreciate the help guys glad to see some different opinions and research some of your ideas. cams and valvetrain is just one part i dont understand a whole lot about. just seems like itd be easier to gain horsepower with a good mild cam then to throw alot of money into i/im/h/e and get a ricey sounding honda in my opinion. what i stated in my second post for parts is whati plan on building up to and having here soon but id like to purchase the cams first since ill be reassembling my motor here soon, possibly this weekend.
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i'd say get pro1 covert to obd1
rocketmotorsports valve springs with stock retainers and a experianced tuner.

cheers, for the most part your list of mods look simple and nothing over hyped.
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i'd say get pro1 covert to obd1
rocketmotorsports valve springs with stock retainers and a experianced tuner.

cheers, for the most part your list of mods look simple and nothing over hyped.
thanks man seems to be what everyone here is telling me to go with so it must be a good set of cams. guess i need to do some research on the obd1 conversion and work on doing that for the most gains and ease of tuning.

if obd1 conversion is not something i do right now would yall recomend going with the skunk2 turner2 or brian crower stage 2 cams for now? if this is the way i go for now (yes understand ill be spending more money later down the road). how much tuning capabilities will i have out of apexi neo and adjustable cam gears?
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IMO you should do everything at once.
get good header, cams, IM and so on and tune them all together

you might save money in this way
a) you might get parts little bit cheaper when you make bigger purchase
b) you dont have to tune it that many times

I know: when we look year back this is going to be my 3rd time in dyno
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after talking to a turner from the area i think imma go with the skunk2 tuner series2 with tuner series valve springs, retainers, and adjustable cam gears. ill try to do most of the tuning with the apexi neo and adjustable cam gears for now. still considering the brian crower stage 2 cams but im thinking theyd be more for a strip car then my daily driver.
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does anyone have any experience with the skunk2's or brian crowers? which one is more reliable? lasts longer? mid range power? just trying to get some last minute opinions before i spend the money.
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^ dunno, but pro1's beats them both

have you searched what skunk2 say about those cams:

pro1: "Very good drivability for dual purpose street/race vechiles"
tuner 2: "Fair-to-good drivability for dual purpose street/race engines"

"Pro-Series camshafts feature a seamless crossover between low and high speed cam lobes. VTEC crossover is seamless allowing for the broadest possible powerband."

so pro1's should be better even on DD

"Pro-Series camshafts also feature our newly revised camshaft blanks that have increased torsional strength, improved durability characteristics, and reduced frictional effects."

so they should be better than tuner's in durability-wise also

and notice that stock injectors become restrictive when you achieve over 220hp. I had to get new ones, my tuner said that their duty cycle were on max and they would be even dangerous to drive with specially at winters
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^ dunno, but pro1's beats them both

have you searched what skunk2 say about those cams:

pro1: "Very good drivability for dual purpose street/race vechiles"
tuner 2: "Fair-to-good drivability for dual purpose street/race engines"

"Pro-Series camshafts feature a seamless crossover between low and high speed cam lobes. VTEC crossover is seamless allowing for the broadest possible powerband."

so pro1's should be better even on DD

"Pro-Series camshafts also feature our newly revised camshaft blanks that have increased torsional strength, improved durability characteristics, and reduced frictional effects."

so they should be better than tuner's in durability-wise also

and notice that stock injectors become restrictive when you achieve over 220hp. I had to get new ones, my tuner said that their duty cycle were on max and they would be even dangerous to drive with specially at winters
wow thats great man ive looked on their website but obviously not well enough thats exactly the info ive been looking for. i think you guys have sold me on the pro1's. thanks typet
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^ heh, I had those same problems last year "what to get", and I did some digging and ended up choosing those Pro1's

glad if that search now helps other people as well
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^ heh, I had those same problems last year "what to get", and I did some digging and ended up choosing those Pro1's

glad if that search now helps other people as well
how are you liking your pro1's typet? i know you said you where putting them in at the end of the month just wondering if they were in yet? is your lude a daily?
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