Built H22 swap completed! - Honda Prelude Forum

Built_5thGen · 06-19-2009, 02:40 AM

It was a long and expense filled road but I finally finished dropping the new built h22 and misc mods about 2 weeks ago. Here's a list of all the mods and a lil' before and after pics.

The car came with the body kit but I'm eventually gonna replace it with a Mugen kit. Planning on upgrading the suspension and fuel pump for the next mods.

1. H22A1 VTEC Head by Endyn
• Endyn Professional Full Race-Ported Head
Full modifications including Full Race Port and Polish, Valve Job, Decking and Assembly with Honda valve stem seals
• R&R Bronze Valve Guides
• Supertech H22/VTEC Exhaust Valve, stock sized, stainless Black Nitride coated
• Supertech H22/VTEC Intake Valve, stock sized, stainless Black Nitride coated
• R-Type Lost Motion Devices
• Skunk2 Springs
• Skunk2 Titanium Retainers
• Clearance Rocker Arms for Retainer Clearance
• Cometic MLS H22A Head Gasket, 0.040” HP, 50cc Combustion Chamber
• Stock H22 vtec cams
• Skunk2 Stage 2 Pro Cam Gears
• Cloverleafed Chambers
• ARP Head Studs
2. H22A1 Block by ERL
• 89.5mm Darton M.I.D. Racing Sleeve Kit
• Wiseco 89.5mm 9.0:1 Compression Ratio Pistons
• Crower Billet Steel H-Beam Rods
• ARP Bolts
• Lightened (Knife-Edged) and Balanced Stock Crankshaft
• ARP Main Studs
• Pro Drive Oil Pump
• OBX Aluminum Oil Pan
• Manual Tensioner Timing Kit
• Greddy Extreme Racing Timing Belt
• Balance Shaft Removal Kit
1. H22A4 Transmission• Quaife Helical Limited Slip Differential, installed by Mike Glacier
• ACT Pro Light 9.9 lb Flywheel
• 4 Puck Sprung Clutch by Kentucky Clutch
• Rebuilt Heavy Duty Pressure Plate
• New Throw-out Bearing

Bolt-ons
1. Under the Hood
• Skunk2 Pro Series Intake Manifold, Port-Matched and Polished by Mike Glacier
• DC Sports 4-2-1 Ceramic Header and Downpipe
• Hondata Therma-Shield Intake Manifold Gasket
• AEM “True” Cold Air Intake
• Visteon OEM Radiator
• RC 550cc Saturated Injectors
• OBD2-OBD1 Conversion including Distributor, Injector Plugs, Custom Wiring
• Replaced Clutch Slave Cylinder
• Replaced Axles
• Hondata S300 and chipped P72
2. Interior
• Indiglo Illuminated Cluster
• Pioneer Premier CD Player
• Kicker Amplifier
• 15” Kicker Sub- Deep Ported
• Viper Alarm System
• Momo Shift Knob
• Rear Upper Sway Bar
• Carbon Fiber Interior Trim
3. Exterior• 2006 17” RSX Type-S Rims
• FK452 Z-Rated Tires
• Split Rear Dual Exhaust
• Invader Front Bumper, custom fabrication
• Black Widow Side-skirts and Rear Bumper
• Cleared Rear Turn Signals
• HID Headlamps

Before

After

Before

After

prepreludesh · 06-19-2009, 02:53 AM

Woah! Wait! What?

What are you doing? I was reading it and got completely lost (and I cannot see the pictures! I'll see them later on my other computer).

9.0 compression ratio?
550cc injectors...
and...DC Sports headers with cold air intake?

What are you doing? You've just turned your H22 stock performance into F22a1 performance? And on top of that, are trying to flood to flood the engine with fuel?

I don't get it, are you going to go turbo here in the next day? Because why are you running this setup?

Built_5thGen · 06-19-2009, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by prepreludesh

Woah! Wait! What?

What are you doing? I was reading it and got completely lost (and I cannot see the pictures! I'll see them later on my other computer).

9.0 compression ratio?
550cc injectors...
and...DC Sports headers with cold air intake?

What are you doing? You've just turned your H22 stock performance into F22a1 performance? And on top of that, are trying to flood to flood the engine with fuel?

I don't get it, are you going to go turbo here in the next day? Because why are you running this setup?

You got it. I'm running it N/A until I can piece together the turbo kit. The S300 tune will control the injectors.

prepreludesh · 06-19-2009, 05:58 AM

You sure do have alot of money to burn! I guess what you're doing would work, but why pay twice for a tune? Just save up and that money you would use for your first tune would pay for maybe half of that turbocharger.

Built_5thGen · 06-19-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by prepreludesh

You sure do have alot of money to burn! I guess what you're doing would work, but why pay twice for a tune? Just save up and that money you would use for your first tune would pay for maybe half of that turbocharger.

I wish I had money to burn! I have a good friend of mine who's doing the tuning until I have the cash to bring it to the dyno.

Ktulu990 · 06-21-2009, 12:39 AM

LOL I just bought a prelude with 9:1 comp and it was N/A... The kid took the turbo kit off.

I had it tuned and only put down 125hp/115tq (really slow)

Needless to say a turbo (bw s366) is going back on along with a lot of other stuff!

Built_5thGen · 06-21-2009, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ktulu990

LOL I just bought a prelude with 9:1 comp and it was N/A... The kid took the turbo kit off.

I had it tuned and only put down 125hp/115tq (really slow)

Needless to say a turbo (bw s366) is going back on along with a lot of other stuff!

My god. Something is wrong there. It's an H22 right?

prepreludesh · 06-21-2009, 03:25 AM

Yeah, that's very low. Its indicative of that engine getting ready to go in some shape or form. It's probably the ringlands are destroyed from that turbo he had on before. If it's not drinking oil, then the tune is so far off, that it's just dumping in fuel and you probably have a really sooty exhaust because with that low of compression, it's not really burning it all efficiently. My C/R is 9.2:1 and the guy before me who owned it (preludedriver1999) and had it dynoed before he was going to put a turbo on it, ran pretty decent numbers on it for lowering the C/R ratio and keeping the stock ECU. It was like 168whp or something.

You might need to get a compression check/leakdown test here before you slap another turbo on it.

Ktulu990 · 06-21-2009, 11:02 PM

Yeah your right... I'm rebuilding the engine now... it's getting cp pistons now

prepreludesh · 06-21-2009, 11:28 PM

Post pictures of your cylinder walls when the pistons are going in!

Ktulu990 · 06-22-2009, 10:28 PM

I"m having a shop do it but I should be going this week... I'll try and bring a camera. But the walls were not bad. The oil rings started to go but no scarring on the walls.

prepreludesh · 06-22-2009, 11:30 PM

What are "oil rings"?

blude99 · 06-25-2009, 11:37 AM

I'm look at getting an H22a1 and I was wondering how much $$$$ you've thrown down on motor so far. You don't have to be right to the penny just kind of a Ball park

Built_5thGen · 06-25-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blude99

I'm look at getting an H22a1 and I was wondering how much $$$$ you've thrown down on motor so far. You don't have to be right to the penny just kind of a Ball park

Well, the engine was a complete build when I purchased it from a private seller for 2800. He spent over $9,000.00 for everything and if you do a lil research on the parts listed, you can see how easy it is to rack up the costs.

Civics gitrdone · 07-05-2009, 09:04 PM

"• Stock H22 vtec cams
• Skunk2 Stage 2 Pro Cam Gears"

yeah bottom end work but stock cams and Pro 2 cam gears???WTF
I'm sorry but those gears do not come in stages, except tuner and pro series.

Pro Series Cam Gears

Your build was nice until I realized there was no turbo build section. This car looks nice and I'm glad you bought it for only $2800, which is decent for a ricey Prelude with a motor. Have you pulled the head or used a borescope to verify the pistons are what they are?!?! All I see is a cold air and a header. Have you even checked to see if you cam gears are Skunk2?! Since your valve cover appears uncut or even half-mooned I am guessing you have no idea what is done to it. Pull you valve cover off and do some work on seeing how hosed you got!

Well, go buy an ebay turbo kit and put it on for $300 and get a tune so your car runs worth a damn. If it does run good now, well decent because it is a fifth gen stock Prelude, that's because you got hosed. Next time you buy a car, either take someone with you that knows SOMETHING about cars or bring a big bottle of lube so it doesn't hurt as bad.

Built_5thGen · 07-05-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Civics gitrdone

"• Stock H22 vtec cams
• Skunk2 Stage 2 Pro Cam Gears"

yeah bottom end work but stock cams and Pro 2 cam gears???WTF
I'm sorry but those gears do not come in stages, except tuner and pro series.

Pro Series Cam Gears

Your build was nice until I realized there was no turbo build section. This car looks nice and I'm glad you bought it for only $2800, which is decent for a ricey Prelude with a motor. Have you pulled the head or used a borescope to verify the pistons are what they are?!?! All I see is a cold air and a header. Have you even checked to see if you cam gears are Skunk2?! Since your valve cover appears uncut or even half-mooned I am guessing you have no idea what is done to it. Pull you valve cover off and do some work on seeing how hosed you got!

Well, go buy an ebay turbo kit and put it on for $300 and get a tune so your car runs worth a damn. If it does run good now, well decent because it is a fifth gen stock Prelude, that's because you got hosed. Next time you buy a car, either take someone with you that knows SOMETHING about cars or bring a big bottle of lube so it doesn't hurt as bad.

I did not purchase the car with the built engine. The car came with a stock engine. I swapped in the built engine. The engine came with Skunk2 Stage 2 Pro cams but they were designed for high compression, not 9:1 cr.
I believe that buying a $9,000 engine for $2800 is far from getting hosed. Especially when the block has 0 miles on it.
I'm doing plenty of research and a lot of asking around before I start with the turbo kit. I'm not going cheap with any part of this.

Civics gitrdone · 07-06-2009, 12:44 PM

Well I still call that motor as a piece of **** because of compression and I'm sorry that you put it in without a turbo kit, yaay dumbass. You aren't going cheap on anything you say but you are putting your build in once it is half-way done?!?!

Please learn that all motor cams, especially Pro 2's do not belong in any motor running less than 12 or 13.0 compression! Skunk2 actually makes a cool group of cams called turbo cams and you should probably check those out next time. The mere fact that you have done soooooooo much research and you're putting the completely wrong cams in your car is scary, for your engine. That engine, with that setup, will most likely not even idle at all, let alone start.

Built_5thGen · 07-06-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Civics gitrdone

Well I still call that motor as a piece of **** because of compression and I'm sorry that you put it in without a turbo kit, yaay dumbass. You aren't going cheap on anything you say but you are putting your build in once it is half-way done?!?!

Please learn that all motor cams, especially Pro 2's do not belong in any motor running less than 12 or 13.0 compression! Skunk2 actually makes a cool group of cams called turbo cams and you should probably check those out next time. The mere fact that you have done soooooooo much research and you're putting the completely wrong cams in your car is scary, for your engine. That engine, with that setup, will most likely not even idle at all, let alone start.

I'm not using the skunk2 cams. I'm running it with stock cams atm. Remember me saying that in the description? Apparently you know nothing about turbo motors because if you did, you would understand that the lower your compression, the more psi the engine can withstand.
I'll be picking up a pair of Skunk2 Pro 1 series cams as they are designed for boost applications. What is your problem on here?

harmonichonda01 · 07-07-2009, 10:14 AM

I am speechless on too many fronts. Good luck op.

Artifex · 07-08-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Civics gitrdone

Well I still call that motor as a piece of **** because of compression and I'm sorry that you put it in without a turbo kit, yaay dumbass. You aren't going cheap on anything you say but you are putting your build in once it is half-way done?!?!

Please learn that all motor cams, especially Pro 2's do not belong in any motor running less than 12 or 13.0 compression! Skunk2 actually makes a cool group of cams called turbo cams and you should probably check those out next time. The mere fact that you have done soooooooo much research and you're putting the completely wrong cams in your car is scary, for your engine. That engine, with that setup, will most likely not even idle at all, let alone start.

You seriously need to STFU. Most of your info is wrong or misguided. Stop behaving like an ass.

OP: I give you major props. You are the only person I've seen lately running an Endyn head. Quality like that is so rare, I'm glad you went the extra mile. ERL is also a fantastic choice for the bottom end. This motor should be completely fantastic once you get the rest of your setup finished. Please pay no attention to the ignorant haters.