just installed my Tanabe G-power and already I'm getting ready to get my next mod. I think I may get the Apexi VAFC but wanted to know how hard it would be to install for a do-it-yourselfer and also for anyone thats installed a Quaife LSD is there anything extra required for the LSD ie: shims, bearings and whatnot.
thanks
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As far as the Quaife goes... it's a pretty advanced job for a do-it-yourselfer. Someone on here did it... may have been 71DSP. I might have the SN wrong... but from what I remember, it was definitely not plug & play. There was a little extra planning & replpacing involved. Do a search on here and find the old threads.
[This message has been edited by IXLR8 (edited February 16, 2001).]
KC, you want to buy my Volks? There 17's, white, come w/ tires, (2 of the tires are in good condition, the other 2 aren't that great), custom offsetted to fit out cars. White, w/ red Rays Eng. stickers. However, one of the wheels needs to be fixed b/c it has a few bad nicks on them, the other 3 are in fairly good condition, willing to ship, make an offer if you want
SAM
my bad i meant to do the VAFC by myself and maybe the OB TB/INT MAN but definantly not the LSD. thanks for the reply, i think im gonna check out that link.
Originally posted by atlxchink: KC, you want to buy my Volks? There 17's, white, come w/ tires, (2 of the tires are in good condition, the other 2 aren't that great), custom offsetted to fit out cars. White, w/ red Rays Eng. stickers. However, one of the wheels needs to be fixed b/c it has a few bad nicks on them, the other 3 are in fairly good condition, willing to ship, make an offer if you want
SAM
Sam, thanks for the offer. I'm not yet
searching for one. I put out my Toxxins
on paper yesterday.. if it doesn't go too
well, i'll put it out on ebay. after i get
rid of my toxxins, i'll be on market for
volks.. or mugans.. or actually i'm thinking
aboug spoons.
pay extra but i want the lightest... so that
i'll not have an execuse next time i loose
to a turbo volvo.
I did the Quaife install in my garage, along with an Exedy clutch and Fidanza flywheel.
It's definitely NOT plug and play. I suppose you could just drop the Quaife in there, but it it's like mine, the preload will be WAAAAY off. The problem is that the preload is quite essential to the diff. bearings. If the preload is off, you will toast the bearings.
Okay, here is a quick outline with some notes:
1. remove the tranny - easy, just don't use a tranny jack unless you can get the chassis up HIGH in the air. We lowered it by hand.
2. take the tranny apart - easy, don't forget to replace all of the crush washers and the locking washer when reassembling the tranny
3. remove the countershaft, mainshaft, and shift forks - this is a good time to inspect all the synchros and shift forks!
4. remove the stock differntial - easy
5. remove the stock final drive gear - medium, it's not hard if you have a huge ass vise to hold the gear in. The final drive gear bolts are torqued to over 70 lb*ft. I had to hold the final drive gear between two pieces of wood and remove the bolts, it was a big PITA.
6. remove the stock speedo gear ring - PITA. We had to heat the gear ring with a torch to get it to expand some and still had trouble getting it off with a big ass gear puller.
7. install new bearings on the Quaife - easy
8. install the speedo gear ring on the Quaife - easy
9. install bearing races in the tranny housing and clutch housing - easy, but make sure you know what size shim you are using.
10. check diff. preload - easy, but I had to make a tool to check preload, you will also need a torque wrench that goes down to 10 in*lbs.
11. if the preload is wrong, look at the chart in the Helm's manual, and calculate which shim should be used - easy, but the Honda manual was off. I ended up ordering 3 shims before I got the preload exactly where I wanted it. - easy
12. reinstall the countershaft, mainshaft, and shift forks. - easy
13. put the tranny back together - easy
14. reinstall the tranny - easy
Now, here is some important stuff. You will need lots of special tools unless you already have a set of bearing drivers and a clutch alignment tool. I spent over $200 in special Honda tools, but that's still better than paying someone to install the LSD for me.
I ended up replacing all of the bolts that hold the tranny housing to the clutch housing. I had two bolts stretch, so I just replaced all of them.
Make sure that you do a dry run through all of the gears before you install the tranny.
It's not that bad, but it takes time, and you need the right tools to do it right.
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Billy
North Texas Prelude Owners Group
www.ntpog.org
Iwas thinking that before I even read your reply. I'm going to let it sit here for a while before I move it in case anyone has any questions for Billy.
Don't worry, I got ya covered.
Originally posted by 71dsp: I did the Quaife install in my garage, along with an Exedy clutch and Fidanza flywheel.
It's definitely NOT plug and play. I suppose you could just drop the Quaife in there, but it it's like mine, the preload will be WAAAAY off. The problem is that the preload is quite essential to the diff. bearings. If the preload is off, you will toast the bearings.
Okay, here is a quick outline with some notes:
1. remove the tranny - easy, just don't use a tranny jack unless you can get the chassis up HIGH in the air. We lowered it by hand.
2. take the tranny apart - easy, don't forget to replace all of the crush washers and the locking washer when reassembling the tranny
3. remove the countershaft, mainshaft, and shift forks - this is a good time to inspect all the synchros and shift forks!
4. remove the stock differntial - easy
5. remove the stock final drive gear - medium, it's not hard if you have a huge ass vise to hold the gear in. The final drive gear bolts are torqued to over 70 lb*ft. I had to hold the final drive gear between two pieces of wood and remove the bolts, it was a big PITA.
6. remove the stock speedo gear ring - PITA. We had to heat the gear ring with a torch to get it to expand some and still had trouble getting it off with a big ass gear puller.
7. install new bearings on the Quaife - easy
8. install the speedo gear ring on the Quaife - easy
9. install bearing races in the tranny housing and clutch housing - easy, but make sure you know what size shim you are using.
10. check diff. preload - easy, but I had to make a tool to check preload, you will also need a torque wrench that goes down to 10 in*lbs.
11. if the preload is wrong, look at the chart in the Helm's manual, and calculate which shim should be used - easy, but the Honda manual was off. I ended up ordering 3 shims before I got the preload exactly where I wanted it. - easy
12. reinstall the countershaft, mainshaft, and shift forks. - easy
13. put the tranny back together - easy
14. reinstall the tranny - easy
Now, here is some important stuff. You will need lots of special tools unless you already have a set of bearing drivers and a clutch alignment tool. I spent over $200 in special Honda tools, but that's still better than paying someone to install the LSD for me.
I ended up replacing all of the bolts that hold the tranny housing to the clutch housing. I had two bolts stretch, so I just replaced all of them.
Make sure that you do a dry run through all of the gears before you install the tranny.
It's not that bad, but it takes time, and you need the right tools to do it right.
Thank you very very much Billy. I am
going to do this this summer, in fact, back
in Texas. I will make definite use of your
notes when the time comes.
FAQ on this is obviously sane thing to do.
Hey, may be your post will balance the
imbalance of quality i've created in this forum.
There is a group buy on them at www.groupbuycenter.com from Bottle (Titan Motorsports). I bought mine from him for $290 shipped. Very good, answered all of my questions, but he didn't have the VAFC in stock when I bought it. When they got it in, they shipped it 2nd day air, and I didn't even ask them to! Very good service.
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Billy
North Texas Prelude Owners Group
www.ntpog.org
Uh, I don't even have an engine in my car right now! The engine won't be ready for another couple of weeks.
I am going to rent at least an hour from a shop in Lewisville, can't think of the shop's name off the top of my head.
I won't install the VAFC until I get the OBD1 conversion done, and it runs okay. That should only take a weekend or so after the engine is assembled. You're more than welcome to come by and check it out when I get it.
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Billy
North Texas Prelude Owners Group
www.ntpog.org
I know you don't have your engine in...the DFW prelude community knows that!
I am getting ready to order my VAFC and would love to check it out when you tune yours. Actually, I would really like to help with some of the work on your car...but your in Arlington and I'm in Plano. Perhaps, I could come out sometime, and turn wrenches...?
For the last 3 months, I have been out of town on business during the NTPOG meetings...maybe March.
Plano to Arlington isn't all that bad. Yeah, it's kind of far, but I used to drive it when we had our meetings on 75 and Main at Spring Creek.
You're welcome to come out anytime. I am usually working on the car every weekend. I am not sure when I will be taking the car to a dyno facility, but I want to get it running with the OBD1 conversion, then install the VAFC and J&S Ultra. That will make things easier to trouble shoot if something is wrong. Just send me an e-mail if you want to come by, and I will let you know how the schedule looks.
I am REALLY hoping the car is ready for the next meeting, but at this point, I am unsure!
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Billy
North Texas Prelude Owners Group
www.ntpog.org
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