225/50/16 on 16x7 +45mm and still rubbing? - Honda Prelude Forum

hamadiscool · 03-23-2008, 06:43 PM

I recently bought rota slipstreams (16x7 +45mm) that came with 225/50/16 series tires and after I mounted them on my car, they rubbed like crazy! I had to raise my car up to basically stock height and still rub sometimes.

I am really confused, I thought this setup was on the "ok" list? What can I do to prevent my car from rubbing? Would running 215/45/16 solve the problem?

Thanks!

Pics of car with wheels:

Daemione · 03-23-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hamadiscool

I am really confused, I thought this setup was on the "ok" list?

Where did you see this? 225/50-16's are a good bit wider & taller than the stock tires . . .

hamadiscool · 03-23-2008, 08:25 PM

I got it from the recommended tire size/wheel faq:

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Originally Posted by Mugenlude

There seems to a lot of questions regarding tire size, offset, and lug pattern ---> so here is a list of suggested tire sizes and offsets, along with the lug patterns for each generation

Tires

Other sizes can be used, but these will be the majority of sizes used.
Where "Overall Diameter is Larger" is noted there maybe a problem with cars that are lowered.
These are only tires that are close to stock O.D., the offset of your wheels needs to be correct in order to prevent rubbing issues.
235 Width Tires are Not Recommended
Larger Diameter Wheels with cause your Speedometer to Display Slower than you Actual Speed
Smaller Diameter Wheels with cause your Speedometer to Display Faster than you Actual Speed

5th Generation (1997-2001)
205/50/15 - Better Acceleration, Overall Diameter is Smaller
205/55/15 - Recommended 15â€? Size Tire w/ 6.5" wide wheel
215/50/15 - Larger Contact Patch, Better Acceleration, Overall Diameter is Smaller
225/45/15 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Minimum of 7" wide wheel is recommended, Overall Diameter is Smaller
225/50/15 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Minimum of 7" wide wheel is Recommended
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205/50/16 - Stock Size, Recommended 16â€? Size Tire
215/45/16 - Larger Contact Patch
215/50/16 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
225/45/16 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Minimum of 7" wide wheel is Recommended
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215/40/17 - Larger Contact Patch, Recommended 17â€? Size Tire
215/45/17 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
225/40/17 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Very Limited Selection of Brands
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215/35/18 - Larger Contact Patch, Small Profile means Less Protection for Wheels
215/40/18 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
225/35/18 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Recommended tire size for 18x7.5" with at least a +48mm offset
225/40/18 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger, Not Recommended if car is Lowered

4th Generation (1992-1996)
205/55/15 - Stock Size, Recommended 15â€? Size Tire
205/50/15 - Better Acceleration, Overall Diameter is Smaller
215/50/15 - Larger Contact Patch, Better Acceleration, Overall Diameter is Smaller
225/45/15 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Minimum of 7" wide wheel is recommended, Overall Diameter is Smaller
225/50/15 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Minimum of 7" wide wheel is Recommended
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205/50/16 - Recommended 16â€? Size Tire
215/45/16 - Larger Contact Patch
215/50/16 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
225/45/16 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Minimum of 7" wide wheel is Recommended
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205/40/17 - Overall Diameter is Smaller, Not Recommended w/ 7.5" wide or larger wheel
215/40/17 - Larger Contact Patch, Recommended 17â€? Size Tire
215/45/17 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
225/40/17 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Very Limited Selection of Brands
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215/35/18 - Larger Contact Patch, Small Profile means Less Protection for Wheels
215/40/18 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
225/35/18 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Recommended tire size for 18x7.5" with at least a +48mm offset
225/40/18 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger, Not Recommended if car is Lowered

3rd Generation (1988-1991)
195/60/14 - Stock Size
205/55/14 - Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Smaller
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205/50/15 - Larger Contact Patch
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215/45/16 - Even Larger Contact Patch, Overall Diameter is Larger
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205/40/17 - Larger Contact Patch

Offset

These are only recommendations based upon comments from members of the board.
4th & 5th Gen. Stock = 6.5" Wide Wheel w/ +55mm
3rd Generation Stock = 5.5" Wide Wheel w/ +45mm

Note:
Most people who lower 5th Generation Prelude w/ aftermarket wheel equipped need to trim off a small piece of the rear bumper cover inside of the wheel well. You can trim is using a dremel, grinder, a file (take longer obviously), etc --- it is only plastic. If you put your hand inside the wheel well you will see what I'm referring to. See image below:

6.5" Wide Wheels w/ 4th & 5th Gen.

Less than +38mm ::: You take the chance of rubbing the outside lip of the wheel well.
+38mm to +55mm ::: You shouldn't have any problems. Recommended Offsets for 6.5" Wide Wheels.
Larger than +55mm ::: You take the chance of rubbing the inside lining of the wheel well.

7" Wide Wheels w/ 4th & 5th Gen.

Less than +38mm ::: Not Recommended
+38mm to +41mm ::: Not Recommended if you are, or plan to be, lowered. You take the chance of rubbing the outside lip of the wheel well.
+42mm to +44mm ::: This is a grey area if you are lowered, results vary depending on tire and/or drop. You take the chance of rubbing the outside lip of the wheel well.
+45mm to +50mm ::: You shouldn't have any problems. Recommended Offsets for 7" Wide Wheels.
Larger than +51mm ::: Not Recommend. You take the chance of rubbing the inside lining of the wheel well.

7.5" Wide Wheels w/ 4th & 5th Gen.

Less than +40mm ::: Not Recommended
+40mm to +43mm ::: Not Recommended if you are, or plan to be, lowered. You take the chance of rubbing the outside lip of the wheel well. Wouldn't recommend using any tire with an overall diameter larger than stock and/or with a tire width larger than 215.
+44mm to +47mm ::: This is a grey area if you are lowered, results vary depending on tire and/or drop. You take the chance of rubbing the outside lip of the wheel well. Wouldn't recommend using a tire with an overall diameter more than slightly larger than stock, you chances of rubbing increase.
+48mm to +52mm ::: You shouldn't have any problems. Recommended Offsets for 7.5" Wide Wheels.
Larger than +53mm ::: Not Recommend. You take the chance of rubbing the inside lining of the wheel well.

8" Wide Wheels w/ 4th & 5th Gen.
Not recommended without enlarging or rolling outside lip of wheel wells. Some people have had success with running offsets larger than +48mm, but you are taking a risk. The setup that is working for monk3y is 215/40/17 tires dropped about 1.5".

Stock Lug Pattern

5th Generation ::: 5x114.3
4th Generation ::: 4x114.3
3rd Generation ::: 4x100

Note: If you see any error let me know and I'll change them, I don't want to be putting the wrong information out there. If I could get more information on the 3rd Generation tire and offset sizes that would be nice, but there just isn't as much information.

Daemione · 03-23-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hamadiscool

I got it from the recommended tire size/wheel faq:

I'd take another look.

petern101 · 03-23-2008, 09:26 PM

I would have went with 225/45/16's because i know for sure it fits on a 16x7 40mm offset.

hamadiscool · 03-23-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Daemione

I'd take another look.

I did and according to the list, I should be fine

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Originally Posted by petern101

I would have went with 225/45/16's because i know for sure it fits on a 16x7 40mm offset.

Ya, I am either gonna go for those or just the stock tire size. Should be fine for now I guess.

Daemione · 03-23-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hamadiscool

I did and according to the list, I should be fine

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Sure, whatever you say . . .

hamadiscool · 03-23-2008, 10:06 PM

But I have seen other people run these specs also and it doesn't seem like they are having any problems. Can you explain instead of mocking me?

Daemione · 03-24-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hamadiscool

But I have seen other people run these specs also and it doesn't seem like they are having any problems.

Like who? The size isn't listed anywhere on our recommended size guide, and of the few people I know of who've tried it, they've all rubbed.

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Can you explain . . .

Your tires are too big. I'm not sure what else you're expecting to hear.

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. . . instead of mocking me?

You're insisting you see something that plainly isn't there . . . sorry, but it's hard not to.

If you're dead set on running these tires, you could try rolling the insides of your fenders to give you some more clearance. But there's always a chance of your paint cracking while you're doing that. Or another option might be to have a machine shop take a few millimeters off the inside of your wheel hubs, which will add a couple to their offset. But of course, too much and your calipers will make contact with the wheel spokes, and the tires will rub on the inside instead of the outside. Or another option might be to add camber kits, in order to add more negative camber. That'll tilt the tires in more . . . which reduces the chance of rubbing on the outer edge, but increases it on the inner. And of course the obvious sacrifice in tire life.

My advice is just to buy the proper sized tires - especially as your gearing & speedo are also going to be affected by the big ones you've got on on.

petern101 · 03-24-2008, 05:54 PM

Yeah I looked at the faq and 225/50/16 isn't even listed so why would you used it?

hamadiscool · 03-25-2008, 03:42 PM

Wow, I feel really stupid. For some reason, I kept looking at 15" instead of 16". I feel like an idiot

. These tires came with the rims so I thought I could get away with it but I guess not. Thanks for the replies guy. Whenever I do buy tires, I will either get 205/50/16 or 215/15/16.

Thanks again

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5hift · 03-25-2008, 04:53 PM

225/45/16 are safe, it's what I have and it looks flush with the fender.

BMXICANSD · 04-28-2008, 04:20 PM

You sure its a 45 offset?

rpwolf · 04-28-2008, 08:11 PM

+1 smaller tires

hamadiscool · 05-02-2008, 12:14 AM

When I wear down these tires, I am getting 225/45/16

. Seems like the rubbing went away b/c the tires wore out the fender lining thing

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1997Prelude · 05-08-2008, 09:30 AM

Ok, so Stock tire size for 5th gen is 205/50/16. Correct me if Im wrong, but 205 relates to the width of the tire as it contacts the ground? So if stock tires are 6 inches wide, a 7 or 7.5 inch tire would be 215 or 225?

The 50 is the profile, or if you look at the side of your car, this is the amount of tire between the outer edge of the rim and the top of the tire. A lower profile would be 45 or lower obviously.

And 16 would be the measurement of the hole where the rim fits in the tire, a 16 inch rim for stock.