This whole thread is a good read, and a trip down memory lane.
I was looking for some pictures of your lude to show people this sick prelude i once helped build, and I stumbled across your thread. I first searched "white diamond hell"... and that worked suprisingly well.
Well I'll be dammed, it's the original gangsta himself! That's great that you found me on here man! I heard you're working at a shop now and moved out of the hangar. What's going on?! I need to talk to you sometime to talk about re-tuning the car again for 93 octane and everything again. It's going to be staying in Ohio for a while and not returning to El Paso. Let's shoot for 250 this time!
Yeah, Im out of the hangar, and into a legit shop now. They have an in-house dyno, nitrous and methanol in stock... You should look into getting some more boost. Have you looked into the rotrax blowers yet? That would be sick to set one of those up. It's close enough to a turbo I'd let it slide.
Either way, we can definatly make some more power out of the lude.
Well you know me, I've always wanted to put a dry shot in to spice things up a bit. But there are still alot of things I'd love to do on it (LSD Tranny, Nitrous, port the supercharger and get cog pulleys for it), but won't because I'm getting bills taken care of and then I need to save up for my wedding as well as wanting to get a new car when I come home, because I'm not feeling the Prelude being a daily driver anymore.
I'm glad to hear you're working someplace that can offer so much, I hope you're lovin' it!
Damn dude, we need to chill. I called you a little while back, I was the one who did the 5 speed swap. Its working well and ready for mods now.
Also speed factory is absolutely horrible, they had my prelude for months...probably only put a few days of labor into it at that. Now my headunit has no power, tail lights/side markers don't light up when unlocking and locking the doors, and my car alarm siren doesn't go off. I'll be busy fixing their mess ups I suppose since I'd rather not deal with them again.
holy **** you actually did the 5 spd swap....I remember you talking about that in Iraq....well I think I put the bug in your ear...lol
Well just because I'm in Iraq doesn't stop my car from going on tour, haha.
Last weekend, Eric (preludedriver1999) , my sister, dad and mom all got together for a little meet at Brookside Park in Ashland for a little test drive and photo-shoot. I consider what they did (and the pictures my sister sent to me) a morale booster and now I'm sharing them with you!
Eric's car is the black one of course. After seeing these pictures, I'm totally loving the black paint on a Prelude. Perhaps if I ever get a new Prelude, black will be the color to go. I'm sure it was quite the site to see 3 modded preludes running around the quiet little town of Ashland though!
I'll let the pictures do the rest of the talking, so enjoy!
Just to chime in here for a minute. I'm the owner of the nighthawk black prelude in the most recent pictures. I do have to agree that I need to do the TSX retrofit very soon.
My name is Eric and I'm the guy that sold this beast of an engine to Mike JR. He contacted me with a few goals in mind for his car. I must say I never thought Mike would follow through to this extent. This thread is an ubelievable read, great for the soul of all prelude owners.
I live about 20 minutes from Mikes parents in Mansfield Ohio. They invited me over to Ashland for a small little photoshoot and I wanted to check this beast out in person. I had the block built by GE with ductile sleeves, Arias pistons, and Eagle rods. My plans were along the lines of what Mike has done but I ran out of ambition and money to finish the car so I sold everything to Mike.
Upon arriving at his parents house I instantly knew we were in for a day of fun and stories. I cruised down the street in my black type sh as I got closer I saw mikes car. You can spot it from a long ways away. I'm so happy that Mike has taken his car to a new level. The interior is amazing, the amount of money spent on this car should show everyone how much dedication he has put into this prelude.
You would never be able to tell this prelude has over 240,000 miles the car is amazing shape and has been well taken care of. Every bit of this car has had attention to it. There's so many mods that it's almost impossible to talk about them.
After talking to Mikes parent for about an hr or so we decided to head out to get some good pictures of Mikes, Lauren (sister), and my car. This was the first time I heard Mikes car run. I must say I'm kind of jealous that his is supercharged and mine isn't.
The only bad thing is Mike JR is stuck in Iraq (god bless) and didn't get to enjoy the experience like we did. This was the first time I've ever had back to back to back preludes on the road. They're really not that common around here and there's not to many that are in the condition that ours are. I guess when you love something you do everything you can to take care of it. My black sh only has 62,000 miles on it and only 7000 miles on the stock engine I put back in it after mike purchased my engine.
Mike SR led the way to our little photoshoot, then me, then Lauren. My heart raced with ambition and anxiety as I waited for Mike SR to stomp that supercharged prelude. Let me tell you when he did it squated and took off like a raped ape. I could do nothing but smile at this point. The supercharger sounds amazing, def loud and unlimited power.
I believe if you're wanting a power adder supercharging is def the way to go. Although the power is minimal compared to turbo you don't have to wait for the boost to build, it's instant. Why you'd ever want more than 250-300hp in a prelude anyways I don't know.
Upon arriving to where Mikes family wanted to shoot some photos I was amazed that the supercharger didn't seem as hot as I thought it would be after his dad getting on the throttle pretty good. His dad looked at me and said I'm going to let you drive it. I was just happy to take a ride in the car let alone drive a supercharged prelude for the first time. I said ok I'd be honored to take it for a spin. So Mike SR drove my black type sh and I hopped in the supercharged prelude. I mean you'd have to be crazy not to take someone up on a deal like that right LOL?
My first impression was the transmission for 240,000 was in just as good shape if not better than my prelude that has way less miles. The car tracked perfectly down the road. At times feeling like V8 power at low rpms. Something that prelude owners are not usually used to as we all know they don't get quick until the upper part of the rpm's. Upon feeling the car out a little bit I decided to stomp on it knowing this engine is bullet proof I had no worries.
Power is instant and it's crazy fast especially when you get to around 5k rpms it just pulls like no other. Vtec no longer exists all you hear is supercharger whine, excellent trade off in my opinion. As my journey was coming to an end I didn't want to get out of this car. It in my opinion is the nicest prelude to date that I've seen. You can do nothing but smile as you drive this thing.
We've got plans to meet again this summer for a little more scenic photoshoot with our cars. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I get to drive it again. Hopefully Mike Jr will get to come home from Iraq and actually meet me. We both have similar interests and both love preludes but we've never met to this day. I just wanted to share my opinion on this car and rub it in that I actually got to drive it and you guys didn't lol.
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Last edited by preludedriver99; 06-02-2009 at 06:45 PM.
Awesome to see some new pic's up Mike. The "Powered By Honda Bob" sticker is freakin sweet. It makes me proud to see it on your car.
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Originally Posted by preludedriver99
Power is instant and it's crazy fast especially when you get to around 5k rpms it just pulls like no other. Vtec no longer exists all you hear is supercharger whine, excellent trade off in my opinion.
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Vtec is there, Trust me. It's just set right, lol.
Awesome to see some new pic's up Mike. The "Powered By Honda Bob" sticker is freakin sweet. It makes me proud to see it on your car.
Vtec is there, Trust me. It's just set right, lol.
Vtec probably is there but you need to get a retune on that bad boy. There is a distinct miss on the high rpm map but it's still pulls like a raped ape. The vtec in non existant compared to the crossover on my type sh. The car is fast but ask Mike SR about looking in his rear view mirror and seeing that he wasn't losing my non supercharged type sh. Def can tune a boatload more power out of that car.
I personally think the car needs to go to Buschers in Norwalk because from the time it made the trip from Texas to Ohio something has happened to the tune. I'm not doubting your tuning skills but a non supercharged type sh should not keep up with a supercharged sh. Then again maybe my car is a freak of nature. There's a ton of fuel flying out of the tailpipe at wot enough to fill my car up if I could catch it all lol.
Vtec probably is there but you need to get a retune on that bad boy. There is a distinct miss on the high rpm map but it's still pulls like a raped ape. The vtec in non existant compared to the crossover on my type sh. The car is fast but ask Mike SR about looking in his rear view mirror and seeing that he wasn't losing my non supercharged type sh. Def can tune a boatload more power out of that car.
I personally think the car needs to go to Buschers in Norwalk because from the time it made the trip from Texas to Ohio something has happened to the tune. I'm not doubting your tuning skills but a non supercharged type sh should not keep up with a supercharged sh. Then again maybe my car is a freak of nature. There's a ton of fuel flying out of the tailpipe at wot enough to fill my car up if I could catch it all lol.
I'd leave buscher's for the evo's. I'd be happy to take a look at it any time on our dyno. The atmosphere is pretty different from el paso to ashland. that may have something to do with it. Who knows.
I'd leave buscher's for the evo's. I'd be happy to take a look at it any time on our dyno. The atmosphere is pretty different from el paso to ashland. that may have something to do with it. Who knows.
Yes they def specialize in evos. I was just using them as an example where Mike JR could take it to get a retune. I'm sure the atmosphere has something to do with it. Although I believe and it's just my opinion that the RC 550's are to much for the hp level Mike is trying to make.
I know the Hondata has loads of capabilities and can control the injectors individually but this isn't the best way to get an accurate tune. Something is causing it to miss bad at high rpms. It's kind of hard to get an idea what's going on because it runs so perfect at partial throttle and idle around town.
I think Mike JR said something was causing the crank position sensor to have problems and Mike SR said he believed a wire in the dizzy was shorted. It's either to much fuel or not enough spark that's an easy one to figure out. Sometimes the ICM's go bad inside the distributor and can cause the car to run like pooh. I've had this happen to my integra before. I would just replace the dizzy on mikes car and make sure the crank position sensor is working correctly.
Next I would go to RC 440's this would allow you to keep the spray pattern that you need for a good burn. I don't think you'd have to take nearly as much fuel away from them.
When I built this engine I had RC 440's on my all motor setup and it was pure fuel in my oil after 3000 miles. I switched to 310's and it ran and idled just fine from there on out after sending the block back to GE to have Arias low compression pistons put in.
It just needs dyno time and you could pull over 260hp out of this car. I'd hate to see how fast it could be if it could pull to redline like my car with no misses. The misses are distinct enough that it allows my car to stay right with it rolling into 2nd and 3rd gear. If Mike SR punched it from the stop sign right away I would've never been able to keep up, power down low is awesome.
I believed for a while that the "misses" you're talking about were actually the smaller supercharger belt slipping. But the fact that the engines jolts are pronounced enough when it does this, might make me believe its something else, because I actually don't know.
When Bob had tuned the car back in October of 2008, the engine would flash a CEL 50% of the time when starting it up cold, but as soon as it warmed up to 90 degrees, I shut it off and restarted it and it wouldn't come on again until it was cold again. I think this was factored in to the overall timing when it was tuned. So when my crankshaft position sensor got replaced in December or whenever it was, the shop tinkered alot with the distributor, because they thought it was the problem. They even replaced the whole damn thing with a known good one just to check and then put the old one back on. My guess is that when they figure out the problem and put everything back together, they "clocked" the distributor to where they didn't see a CEL anymore, which altered the timing Bob had set.
I do know that the fuel pressure that Bob had it set at in El Paso was right around 42psi (where all fuel injected cars should be) and after driving it into Ohio, my dad and I noticed that it was spiking at 70psi, this is something else that could be cured with a fresh tune. Once again, this could be normal because I've heard of Carbuerator makers/distributors asking the customer where they lived or would be doing a majority of their driving so they could set the jets accordingly. Maybe the FPR had a similar problem of thinking it was at one altitude and not another...
I could go either way on the 550cc injectors being too large, but it might be worth it for me to see what a set of smaller ones would do in the future.
I think I know what the car needs, but I don't want to open the wallet at this time, that's my only problem, HA!
Just sell the a few parts on ebay and you won't have to open your wallet. That's what I usually do if I want something but don't want to use our money. I mean you could sell the RC's easily with one picture.
I also noticed when looking closely at the engine that it looked as if you have a b&m adjustable fuel pressure regulator? Maybe I didn't look closely enough but if it's a b&m you def should look into upgrading that to a rising rate 1:1 regulator that allows the increase in fuel evenly among boost increase.
I know you're probably sick and tired of working on it by now but it's something super simple. I know for sure it's not the supercharger belts, strictly fuel and fire related. After driving your car the back bumper was about as black as mine lol.
It just runs so perfect at idle and around town at partial throttle but it struggles when it gets to 6k to make it to redline. I don't know how much you've been able to drive it and if you've even got a chance to know what I'm talking about. It seems like when you roll into the throttle the transition is smoother than when you push the pedal to wot instantly. I'm not trying to be a jerk I just don't want you to blow it up if even possible. The miss is strong enough that it made me let off the gas as soon as it happened.
I just think you've got to much fuel coming from either the pump or injectors. It took about 4 turns of the key for the engine to fire which leads me to believe the injectors are dousing the spark. It's not the supercharger setup, def not the engine, you really need to get the data log cable on it and get it on the dyno again but I understand that's kind of hard to do when you're a world away.
I'd be willing to go to the dyno with SR and Hondabawb to see if we could figure this out. I'm interested in installing an oil pressure gauge like you've got plus the AEM UEGO but I'd like Hondabawb to do the install because I no longer work on my prelude haha.
Last edited by preludedriver99; 06-03-2009 at 11:55 AM.
The Dyno is not far from Ashland at all. Just north on I71 at the 303 Brunswick exit.
I'd like for you to stop up anytime and check out the shop. You could check out my daily beater witch got out of hand. (92 accord stock engine, turbo, meth injection, should be on the dyno shooting for 300whp by friday)
Big3racing.net is the website and the address is on there.
Mike, Do you know when your scheduled on coming home? Are you still planning to retire when you get back?
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