Wreck, let's talk about two stage kits. - Honda Prelude Forum

laughin2.2 · 10-27-2002, 09:00 PM

I figure that a JNMM and back up noid will run me $330. The thing is that I've been through enough noids that I can build one from scrap and buy another one used for $20, SS braided line with fittings will be $40 at most, a fogger nozzle and jets will be $15, the T's will be $15, and an MSD adj. timing controller is $100. I'd save about $100 and I'll be ripping my kit apart anyway so that's not really a hassle. BTW, I got my built noid the other week from NOS. Hopefully, I can get pics over the weekend.

Do you understand the basic wiring involved? I am having trouble finding the right wiring and buttons needed.

From NOS's catalog: " This first stage is activated by a throttle switch while the second stage is activated by pushing a button. Activation of the second stage automatically deactivates the first stage."

Obviously an extra nitrous and fuel noid are needed to run 50 shot/100 shot stages. Then, 2 two foot pieces of SS line for the fogger nozzle on the intake and I can T off the original nitrous line(After the purge noid) and the fuel line to supply the 50 shot. Does that sound right to you?

There is another way to do it through just the DP kit(You can figure it out from this: http://www.nosnitrous.com/HiOctn/Pro.../BigShot2.html ) but that means that we'd have to be able to hook up on an 85 shot in first gear. I think it is possible with the right suspension and drag radials, but if I'm wrong I'd be stuck with a kit that I can't use until 2nd gear.

The other question is whether the 50 to100 shot jump will break the tires loose in third. If the jump breaks the tires loose then the progressive controller is the only choice. I have $100 burning a hole in my pocket, so it's time to start buying nitrous parts.

Padge · 10-27-2002, 09:28 PM

wouldnt you want something more like a 40/100 shot, a 50 shot will spin your wheels in first, It spins mine like crazy and I am not a vtec.

laughin2.2 · 10-27-2002, 09:29 PM

I think I'll be able to control it with BFG drag radials and the right shock set up. Of course if I'm wrong, dropping the first stage down a bit is the first option.

LudedudeSi · 10-28-2002, 10:00 AM

I thought spraying in 1st was

MJShelgosh · 10-28-2002, 10:11 AM

You can spray in first.. just dont spray under at least 2500 rpm..It alos depends.. if you have too big a shot running.. and you spray in first it might be hard to get traction... thats why he would need a Nitrous controller.. the gradually increase the nitrous so he doesn;t get a big jolt all at once.. causing him to lose traction.

laughin2.2 · 10-28-2002, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by LudedudeSi
I thought spraying in 1st was

It's fine, but there is no way that I will get traction in 1st with a 100 shot. Also that is a big jolt to the drivetrain.

wreckdiver · 10-28-2002, 03:29 PM

Haven't put much thought into it, other than theory. The electrical would be pretty easy, just use a relay that is normally closed in the first stage circuit, then have it powered to open the circuit at the same time the second stage gets power. Piece of cake!! I think I am going to use the NOS dry kit as my first stage-- I just can't kick on its super reliability.

P.S. Not gonna be working on my nitrous setup till I get my tranny swapped out. Priorities don't cha know!!

SlvLude · 10-28-2002, 05:35 PM

I have done a little thinking about running a dual stage as well. There are a few things I am wondering about though.

-say you use a single fogger in conjunction with our dp setup's and the single fogger is the first stage say 50 and the dp is the second stage 85.

Well if you have a button that will turn off the first and turn on the second what about the time between the two stages?

It takes time for the single fogger to reach the engine compared to the dp kit because the nozzles are so close to the head with the dp.

The problem I am wondering about is will for a milisecond when the n2o/fuel from the single fogger if traveling to the engine and the dp kit starts to spray will there be an over lap of the the two and instead of just one taking over?

would there be a potential milisecond spray of 135shot instead of just an 85??

and I wasn't quite sure (laughin) if you were gonna use additional noids for the first stage. If not then how would you send fuel/n2o without sending it to both stages at once. I just was unclear from reading, but I don't see how you could do it without the additional noids.

-Jeff-

laughin2.2 · 10-28-2002, 06:29 PM

The lag in the direct port kit should give time for the first stage to combust.
You need two sets of noids and a certain type of wiring set up. I'll be calling NOS this week to check it out.

SlvLude · 10-29-2002, 10:23 AM

sounds good to me. Just keep us updated on your progress your help and sound wisdom keep us going

-Jeff-

MidNKight-lude · 10-29-2002, 11:26 AM

i was thinking about doing the same setup as the NX kit that i saw. IT was direct port for both and had two fuel rails. It was in like honda tuning a while back

laughin2.2 · 10-29-2002, 12:24 PM

I wouldn't run a 50 shot on a dp kit. Those jets would be tiny and subject to blockage.

SlvLude · 10-30-2002, 08:47 PM

hmmm I was bored today so I came up with something that I think might just work. I am gonna call a few electrical companies tommorrow to see if I could even get the parts, but its not many parts and should not cost much at all.

-Jeff-

laughin2.2 · 10-30-2002, 11:20 PM

can't wait to hear what you find out.

SlvLude · 11-02-2002, 12:48 AM

sorry I'm a little late about getting back well I suppose I thought up something damn creative because no one carriers the special electrical items that I came up with

ohh well maybe I should invent them and become rich as hell

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anyways that got me all what ever and sooo I sat down and figured something else out. That I am almost posative they make and I think should work fairly well.

hmmm anyone got an idea what kinda program I should use to make a diagram about what I have scribbled down.

-Jeff-

MJShelgosh · 11-02-2002, 03:24 AM

Are you looking specifically for a program that creates schematics??

laughin2.2 · 11-02-2002, 11:29 AM

Just use paint.

laughin2.2 · 11-04-2002, 11:31 PM

I don't have my baby here so tell me if I forgot a wire off of the relay or anything else. What I'm figuring is that the normal arming switch has a ground, a power in, and a power out. When you click it one way the power goes to the ground, when you click it the other way it goes to the nitrous system. Well why not jsut use another of these switches but instead of having the power go to either the ground or the system, have it go to stage 1 or stage 2?! If we want to shut off the nitrous just let off the accelerator or the first arming switch. Does this sound like it will work?

Edit: Don't let my MaD tIghTe graphic skilLz intimidate you.

wreckdiver · 11-05-2002, 04:51 AM

Typical arming switch just completes a circuit for the positive, the ground is for the light in the switch. You did give me an idea though! The NOS bottle opener uses a switch that has 2 positions, up powers one circuit, down powers another circuit. Your could feed this switch via your arming switch, and whichever way the 2 way switch is positioned is the stage you power. Thanks for encouraging my brain fart!

nuro · 11-05-2002, 04:54 AM

great discussion... as u know laughin, ill probably be looking at the 2 stage setup also