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Old 01-06-2003, 08:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Why Nitrous Oxide and Not Just Oxide?

When an engine is equipped with a nitrous oxide system, the nitrous oxide enters the engine at a little under 600°F splitting the nitrogen and the oxygen atoms. The engine only uses the oxygen atoms and releases the nitrogen out the exhaust. Now why isn't the bottle just filled with oxygen? I am guessing because nitrous and oxygen combined can store 50% more oxygen than just oxygen atoms in the same area. Is this why or is there another reason?
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I'm no genius. But, are you sure about some of your info? I though N20 cools the intake charge temperature to have better combustion with the increased amount of oxygen taken in. If that were so, why would it be 600°F. My guess is N20 has better cooling properties than just 02.
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Chemistry lesson : Oxide is the root word of oxidized. Oxidation is a process where oxygen combines with another chemical. Now N20 is so potent because its pure 33% O 66% N....atmospheric oxygen is only 15-20% or so....so basically N20 is containing a double potency oxygen=more O2 in less space=more power. Now to add to this the Nitrogen in the mix keeps things stable. Remember, oxygen is highly explosive....if you ran it pure through an engine you would blow up and die a horrible death possibly......they would have done it if it were safe.....
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Nitrogen controls combustion and pure oxygen would make alot of dead racers, as stated above.
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Oh i see. Okay, thanx! I wasn't sure if that was the reason or because the nuclear fission that occured gave off energy. But you answered my question! thanx.
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Oh i see. Okay, thanx! I wasn't sure if that was the reason or because the nuclear fission that occured gave off energy. But you answered my question! thanx.
Nuclear fission???!!!! come on.. man.. you think our engine is a particle accelerator or something?

we have only chemical reactions occur inside the combustion. only the change of configuration of electrons (chemical bond and energy released). way too far from nuclear reaction which will complete change the atom to another element.
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The nitrogen is a carrier atom, which brings the O2 into the combustion chamber, and convienientyl splits up during combustion. Since the N2 is inert, it passes through the system, and the O2 oxidizes in the mixture. WIthout the N2, most likely, you would get flashback, where the combustion would follow down the line and into the bottle, and then BOOM.
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I dont know if you remember science class, but if the world were 100% oxygen, we would all be very full of energy, at least for the few seconds before we burned to death. Pure oxygen would cause is to burn very hot, and very uncontrollable. You might not die by using pure oxygen, but you would melt your pistons and valves very quickly.
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Remember, oxygen is highly explosive....if you ran it pure through an engine you would blow up and die a horrible death possibly
Oxygen is not highly explosive, in fact it is not explosive at all.

It is an oxider

Which means a requirement for combustion

Gas is highly explosive
Hydrogen is highly explosive

Again, Oxygen does not explode
You need oxygen to make an explosion

You can take a full bottle of oxygen and hold a flame to it, nothing the flames grows then dies, because you need to supply more fuel to burn.

Hence, that running pure oxygen is difficult because you need way too much full to burn, and it produces way too much heat for any engine.
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there was a thread over at h-t about something similar. main points were that it would probably cause your engine to go lean, pretty dangerous to have a tank of oxygen in your car, and price (pure o2 aint cheap apparently).

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=367083


btw, oxygen by itself is not flammable. it just helps the reaction. but the second you mix pure oxygen with a fuel and introduce a spark, you have a seriously flammable situation. just think of what a tank of pure o2 can do in a car crash
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well of course it wont spontaneously combust....but for all intensive purposes oxygen, pure, is explosive/flamable......at least when its near fire or spark
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well of course it wont spontaneously combust....but for all intensive purposes oxygen, pure, is explosive/flamable......at least when its near fire or spark
No, oxygen is not a flammable gas, period!!!

Combustion is a two part system

You need an fuel
and a oxider

without either, nothing will happen

You can have pure oxygen all day floating around whatever, nothing will happen

Same with gas a full tank of gas sealed is nothing

but expose either to the other one

for ex. fuel to oxygen add a spark and boom!!!

Like in a fire, take away the oxygen and the fire goes out, add more oxygen fire burns faster, hotter.

That is the principal behind Nitrous adding, more oxygen in a safe amount to create HP.

If you were to add pure oxygen, you will either need to regulate it to like 3 psi or have a jet so tiny that only a little amount enters your engine.
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wow. thanx for all your input. im in 9th grade so not to chemistry yet. lol. thanx guys.
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and the final link

http://www.howstuffworks.com/question259.htm

it is a very good writeup and easy to comprehend
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Listen.....the only way pure oxygen isnt flamable is if it were contained BY ITSELF! If there is anything that could be used as fuel, anything, its quite flamable, true....I thought that fact was implied......go look at a bottle of liquid O2....see what it says on the tank......youll see.....
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I believe this thread has answered the question at hand. Lets let it die.
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