So the tank isn't as big... Do you use all 10 lbs of nitrous on one shot? The person describing it claims 1 tank = 1 shot. Also, to address the issue of charging... the line will be half as long (since it's just running from intake to Drivers side). I've never driven in a car with nitrous, let alone one with low pressure, so I'm just working on theory here. But, theroetically, as long as some N2O makes it into the engine, there will be SOME gains (granted, not nearly as much as your 50 shot). No one is claiming that this kit compares to a NX wet kit.
I most certainly don't use all 10 pounds in one shot. But there's almost NO gas in that little tank. It would take most of the gas just to get the tube and system to ambient pressure, so it would only spray about 1/4 of what was actually in the bottle. a 10 pound bottle will pressurize the system without losing any really noticable bottle pressure, so when you hit the button, it will spray instead of dribbling out.
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Gas Distribution would be the same as in a single fogger dry kit. it all depends on where you mount the sprayer. Also, I'm working under the assumption that the kit works properly. (i.e., won't break).
Not even close. He's just dribbling out of a hole, take a look at a nozzle sometime. They've been designed to atomize the liquid for better distribution.
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Well, I'm not claiming it would get you a huge boost... I'm saying it would be noticable. And, the whole "dangers of spraying without adding any fuel" thing is a red herring, since you know h22's run rich and can handle up to a 50 shot on a dry kit (with no fuel management).
All dry kits have fuel management. They up the fuel pressure under nitrous to ncrease the amount of fuel injected while on the juice. I can assure you, spray even a 20 shot in there without doing something about fuel and you'll have issues of some sort, much less a 50. and 20 would be just enough to really feel.
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I would think that this kit would have the most noticable impact at WOT during VTEC... Because the motor runs so rich at WOT, ANY amount of nitrous would improve power just because there is already an excess of fuel being injected... If timed right, I bet you could get A LITTLE boost. but, like I said many times before, it wouldn't be comparable to a professional kit.
Actually, that's where it would have the LEAST noticable effect, if any was to be felt in the first place. It would be most noticable at lower RPM's where the torque is scarce.
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That's true... however, I still would not feel comfortable having a nitrous leak in my engine bay... If something goes bad, it would get much worse. I'm sure there HAVE been fires related to nitrous leaks...
Not realted to leaks per say. But there are numerous accounts of nitrous making fires WORSE. But they can't start them.
Are you seriously in here just to argue, having never even taken a ride in a car equipped with nitrous?
Actually, that's where it would have the LEAST noticable effect, if any was to be felt in the first place. It would be most noticable at lower RPM's where the torque is scarce.
Torque Scarce? Isn't that true on all Hondas?
...but anyway, I was looking at my dyno plot...and my car makes the same torque numbers at 4000rpm and 6500rpm...and it's over 130ft.lbs
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Oh get over it. Funny how it's not arguing when you're ****ing wrong and don't know what you're talking about. Then people call it "playing devil's advocate" Playing devil advocate isn't a universal excuse to be dumb. You don't know a damn thing about nitrous kits, how they work, what they do, or anything involved with them. You've never even ridden in a car equipped with it. So please, just go away.
Lowflyin: I don't really know why, but the "pull" I feel in my car is MUCH larger at low RPM. I dug up a dyno to kind of show what I'm talking about.
the HP bump stays about the same all the way up, but the torque starts to fall back to lower levels, there's a much more pronounced rolloff in the TQ graph when on the juice than when off. It's all downhill after the VTEC switch.
Oh get over it. Funny how it's not arguing when you're ****ing wrong and don't know what you're talking about. Then people call it "playing devil's advocate" Playing devil advocate isn't a universal excuse to be dumb. You don't know a damn thing about nitrous kits, how they work, what they do, or anything involved with them. You've never even ridden in a car equipped with it. So please, just go away.
Yeah, and I suppose I should just shut up and take your word for everything since you're and Engineer (as you so proudly point out every chance you get) and obviously know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING.
Why do you get so offended when someone has the audacity to disagree with you? It must be nice to be right all the time, without question.
Beh... go back to lording over your Nitrous forum... Your subjects are waiting for your brilliant light to guide them.
I think everybody needs a hug. Come on guys, ... who wants a huuuuuuuug?
This might solve the debate ... who cares, its a cheap kit that none of us are ever going to run so why argue over it.
Also, no matter what "kind" of squeezin' your car's hopped up on .... those 15 seconds still suck ... go boost
Ok I have used this kit on my old 3rd gen lude and I does help. The only thing it helps with is launches because the 3rd gens have no low end and suck off the line. I used this to launch and I accually got wheel spin when I used it so it does do something but only last fro about 2 secs. But isn't 2 sec better than nothing? I mean if it help you get off the line that could mean the differance between winning and losing a stoplight showdown.
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you know, you could figure it out if you wanted to, it's pretty simple.
There's 3 grams of nitrous oxide in that charger. It's listed on their website.
and you know it takes .8 pounds of nitrous to make 100 hp for 10 seconds. (it's a chemical constant, that's how much energy nitrous oxide has stored in it.)
So just work it out and figure out how much 3 grams will give you.
.8 pounds = 362.87 grams. So 362.87 grams is 10 seconds worth of 100 hp. We've got less that 1/100th of that.
When you break down the algebra, that charger has enough energy to provide 4.13371 hp for 2 seconds. If it gets it off in 1 second, it's going to pump out a 8.26742 hp over 1 second. Keep in mind, in a race it's going to take a hair over 2 seconds to go the first 60', must N/A times that are accepted as 'good' for a prelude on this site seem to be ~2.2 seconds for the first 60' of travel.
There, now everyone can make an informed decision on whether the risk is worth it, and Zbone and I can be best friends and just agree to disagree. He thinks it's a good idea I think it's a bad one, you decide if it's worth the various risks for yourself. Sorry to get so excited over an opinion Zbone.
you know, you could figure it out if you wanted to, it's pretty simple.
There's 3 grams of nitrous oxide in that charger. It's listed on their website.
and you know it takes .8 pounds of nitrous to make 100 hp for 10 seconds. (it's a chemical constant, that's how much energy nitrous oxide has stored in it.)
So just work it out and figure out how much 3 grams will give you.
.8 pounds = 362.87 grams. So 362.87 grams is 10 seconds worth of 100 hp. We've got less that 1/100th of that.
When you break down the algebra, that charger has enough energy to provide 4.13371 hp for 2 seconds. If it gets it off in 1 second, it's going to pump out a 8.26742 hp over 1 second. Keep in mind, in a race it's going to take a hair over 2 seconds to go the first 60', must N/A times that are accepted as 'good' for a prelude on this site seem to be ~2.2 seconds for the first 60' of travel.
There, now everyone can make an informed decision on whether the risk is worth it, and Zbone and I can be best friends and just agree to disagree. He thinks it's a good idea I think it's a bad one, you decide if it's worth the various risks for yourself. Sorry to get so excited over an opinion Zbone.
Thank you for doing the math... anything over an ounce I get lost.
But, to clarify:
1. I'm not advocating this kit, or think it's "a good idea". (personally, I don't think nitrous is a good idea for a car of my age period).
2. I was saying that technically, it would work (just not all that well). Vapor proved this point with his math. a 5 hp gain for 2 secs at launch would be like having a good set of headers or a decent CAI (and would overcome the low-end lag that happens when you open up the intake/exhaust flow).
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Ok I have used this kit on my old 3rd gen lude and I does help. The only thing it helps with is launches because the 3rd gens have no low end and suck off the line. I used this to launch and I accually got wheel spin when I used it so it does do something but only last fro about 2 secs. But isn't 2 sec better than nothing? I mean if it help you get off the line that could mean the differance between winning and losing a stoplight showdown.
I dont understand the big debate.....that kit is *** and that is all there is to it.....If you cant tell that kit is *** then you should go pimp out a Kia instead of a lude!
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Funny how it's not arguing when you're ****ing wrong and don't know what you're talking about. Then people call it "playing devil's advocate" Playing devil advocate isn't a universal excuse to be dumb. You don't know a damn thing about nitrous kits, how they work, what they do, or anything involved with them. You've never even ridden in a car equipped with it. So please, just go away.
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