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Old 05-19-2006, 11:00 PM   #51 (permalink)
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so wait, why did you go with hondata, you could have easily gone with CROME and saved $400..

you are going to need a wideband for sure, atleast for monitoring on your part, even if you don't tune the car.. I would recommend a Zeitronix ZT-2, which I bought, after much research.
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Not true.

The AEM has several features which OBD1 derived S/W does not. I know because I've tuned Uberdata, Crome, and the AEM personally on my own car. These are:

(1) Gear dependant wastegate maps (Neptune has this also). Allows different boost targets for each gear (traction).

(2) Direct fire ignition drive for COP. OBD1 can't do this. COP yeilds very nice improvements at the very top end.

(3) Battery voltage compensation. Sounds silly, but at high loads, the car's supply voltage will drop slightly. The AEM measures the voltage, and compensates the fuel injector duty cycles.

(4) Fuel injector offset timing. This one is the hotness. The AEM has a 2D map which is an offset (in ms I believe) from when TDC is reached (used repetedly for each cylinder). It delays the fuel injector open time until the offset has passed. This allows the fuel to be sprayed only when the intake valve is actually open (at low loads). At high loads, there isn't much tweaking room. User JDogg is an expert AEM tuner, and he has picked up as much as 10% power in the midrange by tuning this parameter. Also, it helps tremendously at idling large injectors, and low-throttle fuel economy.

Granted, you need a tuner that can tune all this. I have a low opinion of any AEM tuner who can't, since I was able to do this myself. It requires a few hours street tuning, and a few more at WOT on the dyno.

(1) - so its essentially a built in electronic boost controller? that is almost finished in CROME - http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?t=6832

(2) - you got me.

(3) - CROME now has injector battery offset along with ECT idle/fuel comp, ECT ignition/fuel correction, IAT ignition/fuel correction, and other combinations dealing with idle, + much more.

(4) - I'm sure this is possible with a script in CROME..

For a street car, I think I would stick with a $75 set up(chipping supplies/programmer) instead of an AEM EMS $1000+?
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For a street car, I think I would stick with a $75 set up(chipping supplies/programmer) instead of an AEM EMS $1000+?
For Hondas, you can get an AEM EMS for around $800. I didn't argue that the AEM is the best value, it isn't (Neptune has that honor). It does have the most flexibility, and will ultimately make the most power, period. I have tuned both the AEM and Crome, and I know where the differences are.
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For Hondas, you can get an AEM EMS for around $800. I didn't argue that the AEM is the best value, it isn't (Neptune has that honor). It does have the most flexibility, and will ultimately make the most power, period. I have tuned both the AEM and Crome, and I know where the differences are.
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