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thanx sharkcohen! h22 turbo kit
I need some advice buying a turbo kit. I found this on the honda-tech forum. DO you guys think its worth buying? I was literally about to send the money 2 him right away lol Good think i decided to double check with you guys.
By the way he said the turbo has "a little shaft play"
Am i getting myself into something retarded here?
I have a 1998 Honda prelude that i'm doing a engine build up on with Mahle pistons 8.5:1 eagle rods and a tranny swap.
well definetly, i was actually about 2 buy hondata last night. Unfortunately i ended up bying cams, not that thats relaly a bad thing either lol. Would you happen to know where i can get hondata with boost for cheap? I found it at a website for about 490. I lost the link though.....but still, cheaper would b good to. ALSO, do i need to do an OBDI conversion to use hondata?
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yes best choice p13 chipped+h0ondata=good, actualy dont know where to get it cheaper, i also have aem ems for sale, not trying to make u buy it, but its also the best system out there, all u do is replace ur factory ecu with this, and get it tuend, let me know if ur interested,but its little more expensive then p13+hondata.
Make sure the turbo is genuine. I have seen scammers selling "t03/t04e" hybrids on Ebay which are actually XSpower turbos, which basically piles of sh*t and blow themselves up real quick.
Understand that the kit you bought is not a bolt on affair. There is a bunch of extra work you are going to need to get this stuff to run:
(1) You are going to have to get someone to weld up your downpipe to your exhaust system. The stuff that comes in this kit is not ready to run. In nearly all states, running without your exhaust connected to a catalyst violates emissions laws, and you can get fined big time if you get caught.
(2) The other problem I see is that there isn't any O2 bung in the downpipe. You will need someone to weld that in for you also.
(3) There isn't any mention of the PSI of the wastegate spring. That's a pretty crucial bit of info to have.
(4) You will need to have an oil return fitting welded into your oil pan for the turbo drain.
(5) If you run more than 9 PSI you will need a bigger MAP sensor.
(6) You are going to need larger injectors to go with your fuel management.
(7) The wastegate doesn't appear to have a dump tube. Depending your your state's laws, you may have to get a closed-loop wastegate dump, which requires more welding to your downpipe.
I hope you have already contacted a quality shop to do this extra work for you. The welding costs alone are going to be in the $500 range, depending on how good a relationship you have with your shop.
ouch, sigh, i should have just bought the kit off a reputable website then i guess, i'm gonna waste another 1 just doin all that it seems.
OK so it seems that perhaps i need to replace some of the parts on this kit. For example, the MAP sensor,wastegate with a dump tube, a piece to fit the 02, injectors, the oil line fitting for the oil pan.
Now as u can tell, i'm very new to forced induction, where would u suggest i pick up these new parts, and which parts do u suggest are best to get?
Sigh, i wish someone hit me up sooner, i shouldnt have jumped the gun and purchased this kit....
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by the way, to let you know wut all i'm doing, i purchased the engine build kit off of www.importperformanceparts.net containing the mahle pistons with the compression ratio 8.5:1. Also i purchased Crower turbo cams, and KMS valves springs and retainers. I do NOT have a fuel pump yet, or fuel management, or injectors, but i do have an aem fuel pump---unless that too needs to be replaced.
I am in the process of doing a transmission swap, i do NOT have a new clutch.
In fact all this work will be done simultaneously.
Its unfortunate for me that at times i get overly excited and jump the gun, but at this point, lets just try to work with the situation i've gotten myself into lol
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Now as u can tell, i'm very new to forced induction, where would u suggest i pick up these new parts, and which parts do u suggest are best to get?
Sigh, i wish someone hit me up sooner, i shouldnt have jumped the gun and purchased this kit....
What you need to do is read the Turbo FAQ sticky thread in the Forced Induction section. It won't help you having us give you answers, if you don't understand the basics of Forced Induction and what it takes to build a kit correctly for your car. The Turbo FAQ has a wealth of info contributed by many members with real experience with their ludes and their build.
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Honestly i read through it, I do understand how forced induction works generally. Its in the installation and setting up that that kind of gets me. Knowing companies and parts reputabilty comes from experience. God willingly, if i do manage to finish this project, in couple months i'd be able to answer these questions myself to any new comer to forced induction. Ah anyways, thanx though ur right, i do need to learn a lot more.
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If he has enless suply of $$$$ y not? he will learn alot, and after he is done he will look back and say how much less it would of costed doing it different.
But im also interested in those mahale pistons or w/e that require no block sleeving from what i understand, try them out and after a while post it up to see how they handle, i put my turbo project on hold for about a year i would say, dont have unlimted $$$ suply Need money so selling some of my stuff
hey hey, i dont have an unlimited supply of money. I worked 6 days a week in 4 different clinics and washed n waxed cars on my free time to get that money.
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Oo, well that is a different story, not to be rude or anything but good luck, and becare full, with ur lude, from what i read and what people said, turboing a lude is alot of $$$, but i wish you look il be turboing my lude too, tell us how it works out and ur problems, so il know what to expect.
indeed, i just hope i didnt make too many wrong choices
First of all, don't feel bad. As a matter of fact, I don't think any of your choices are bad. It just takes a little more effort to get a good turbo setup working.
All the welding stuff is unfortunately required for any turbo setup. I'm not aware of any off the shelf kit that will install without some custom welding. The kit you bought looks pretty good actually, it's just a little short on some final pieces. As a matter of fact, a t03/t04e hybrid is a fantastic turbo for most Hondas.
One thing that's not clear to me are your power goals or PSI goals. Those are really important to specify up front before you piece together your turbo kit.
BTW, the Mahles don't seem to have a 8.5:1 piston. I do see a 9:1 piston; maybe that's what you meant?
You mentioned using an AEM EMS. Personally, I love the AEM, but it's very pricey. You can get really good performance from a P28 running Crome for very cheap though. You will need an OBD1 harness to run it though.
At this point you need to get a good engine builder, preferably someone who can do the welding for you too. There are a couple great shops out there, but I have no idea what is close to Chicago. You will have to do some searching to get something close by.
I'm pretty sure mahle has 8.5:1 because when i spoke to the gentleman on the fone, those were the specs he gave, also thats wut they have listed on importperformanceparts.net
ok, where can i pick up a "P28 running Crome" and OBD1 harness? Does this mean i dont need Hondata?
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Need money so selling some of my stuff