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Old 08-22-2008, 08:58 AM   #21 (permalink)
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it's all about tuning. You need to invest in a new ecu asap. At 10 psi you should be well above the numbers you are making. Your a/f ratio is all over the map. The manifold is fine but you definately need a tial wastegate. Your setup has a lot of potential but it needs wg, ecu and a tune.
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My buddy has 273 whp on 9psi on his lude
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Old 08-22-2008, 03:23 PM   #22 (permalink)
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well i have tuned timing -1 per lb of boost the fic has a map for timing,and 3 in downpipe to 2.5 in exhaust no cat and it is intercooled
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Old 08-27-2008, 12:56 AM   #23 (permalink)
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can you pull an a/f plot?
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still needs work
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Old 09-13-2008, 08:39 AM   #25 (permalink)
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You run a tad warm dont you?
On the right side click on the dialogue box and pull up coolant temp and place that in the variables.

A/F is low and that is one reason why you have a ton of pulled timing.
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i dont have the coolant temp hooked to the f/ic it doesent run hot and i am retarding timing -1 per lb of boost
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Old 09-14-2008, 10:46 AM   #27 (permalink)
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really ... not hot? Injector size? We are narrowing it down.
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Old 09-16-2008, 10:26 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Ok well then if everything seems to be working fine engine wise, then my only guess for a problem would be your clutch. Cause the engine might be making the power but its not getting to the ground (the dyno). Beyond that i have exhausted my knowledge.
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Here's my thoughts ... Rays, Quevon and Artifex chime in on this as well.

Since fuel is used for cooling purposes in tuning and your a/f seems to be low you had to pull timing out. I think if you swapped your injectors to 550cc, increased your A/F and put IN timing you would make a ton more power. If you pulled out a degree for every pound that is ~10 out. That is ridiculous.
The reason I asked if you were running hot is because of the above reasons. With your current setup if you put timing in you would immediately run warm or have knock.

Seems like a simple fix to me.
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Those plots suck man; I can't read them at all.

In order to tell if you have tuning problems, you need to see the following:
1) RPM
2) MAP in psi
3) torque
4) AFR
5) ign timing
6) fuel

5 & 6 you can show on the AFR tables. Just by looking at the contours of the tables you can tell how decent the tune is.

Other things to check:
1) What is your plug gap?
2) EGTs?
3) Plug condition?
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Here's my thoughts ... Rays, Quevon and Artifex chime in on this as well.

Since fuel is used for cooling purposes in tuning and your a/f seems to be low you had to pull timing out. I think if you swapped your injectors to 550cc, increased your A/F and put IN timing you would make a ton more power. If you pulled out a degree for every pound that is ~10 out. That is ridiculous.
The reason I asked if you were running hot is because of the above reasons. With your current setup if you put timing in you would immediately run warm or have knock.

Seems like a simple fix to me.
First off spell my screen name right. You dont look knowledgeable when you incorrectly spell something that is a couple lines up.

But i am with Art. i need to see all those maps. What kind of clutch do you have? Because the average should be around 235-250whp at 7psi and 275-300whp at 10psi

I am still standing my ground. I dont think tuning is the big factor. I think it lies somewhere in the mechanical. I still say nothing till i know more details.
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its an exedy street/strip clutch and fidanza alum flywheel
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First off spell my screen name right. You dont look knowledgeable when you incorrectly spell something that is a couple lines up.
But i am with Art. i need to see all those maps. What kind of clutch do you have? Because the average should be around 235-250whp at 7psi and 275-300whp at 10psi
I am still standing my ground. I dont think tuning is the big factor. I think it lies somewhere in the mechanical. I still say nothing till i know more details.
I don't think an accidental screen name mispelling deserved that comment. I have been around for years with a ton of information filled posts.

The rule of thumb is pull 1 degree per pound of boost for a BASELINE. After a solid baseline tune is established increasing HP is easy with minute tweaks one of which is putting back in timing. Why would you run 10 out? From a tuning perspective increasing fuel-A/F and putting in timing makes perfect sense.
By retarding timing you will see higher EGTs' very similar to too little fuel. This is what produced my comment of running warm. Since he said he wasnt by process of elimination that would mean pulling timing which he has done.

Ideas?
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Uhh yea anyways...

Something i overlooked is he reduced his compression to 9:1. yea timing is kinda pulled, but meh. that differece in compression makes a big difference. and the turbo is my ideas.
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so do you think i should tune for more boost
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Old 09-24-2008, 05:07 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I wouldn't waste your money on another tune until you upgraded some parts, namely your turbo, ecu, and wastegate.
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