I read it...seems doable but then again, i'd hate to F it up and then have nothing.
LuderSH: how long was the install? More importantly, if you could take it to a reliable shop, ie. Jackson Racing in CA, would you or do it yourself again?
i WISH i were in california. i would DRIVE to jackson, regardless of how long the drive is, to get the thing done by them. they made the thing, so they should know all the quirks.
and i'd pay premium price for jackson to install and tune it the way they got their dynos.
Originally posted by Kool-Lude I read it...seems doable but then again, i'd hate to F it up and then have nothing.
LuderSH: how long was the install? More importantly, if you could take it to a reliable shop, ie. Jackson Racing in CA, would you or do it yourself again?
Iranman..what do u think... install myself, Jackson Racing in CA, or local shop that i can trust(don't know of any yet)?
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Ummm.... I guess it would all come down to how much they charge. I feel like I did just as good a job as they would have, but it was not a fun install for me. It took a full weekend (ie from Friday night till 12, Saturday 9AM-12:30AM, Sunday 8AM-10PM). If they didn't charge that much then I would consider it, otherwise just let them tune it.
JR in Westminster (Orange county by Disneyland) charges $725 for installing JRSC. I talked to them about it, and I'll be taking my car down there to get it installed (it's like 3hr drive, but I think it'll be worth it)
Originally posted by LuderSH Ummm.... I guess it would all come down to how much they charge. I feel like I did just as good a job as they would have, but it was not a fun install for me. It took a full weekend (ie from Friday night till 12, Saturday 9AM-12:30AM, Sunday 8AM-10PM). If they didn't charge that much then I would consider it, otherwise just let them tune it.
Yea i know what you mean, it took me and my two friends from sat morning to 2:00am and 10am sun to 1am. we ran into some problems but i think we did a pretty good job, followed insructions exactly so dont see how jR can do it "better". As luderSH said it wasnt fun, but we learned a heck lot, the biggest thing we've ever done before was install some headers. we just started out with the prelude manual, told our selfs we can do this, and cleared out a weekend for the job. what really pushed me was when i looked at the instructions...Dang i was not about to let no one do it for fricken 800+...i mean just look at the intructions, does it look like a 800 job...we did it...
from what i've seen of my install, the instructions, talking with the shop that did it, and generally screwing around under the hood, if you have a decent set of tools (in particular sockets and wrenches of various lengths), are mechanically inclined, and VERY methodical you can do it yourself. preferably with a friend to help with some of the trickier bits. some of the bolt locations are a B1TCH to get to.
i'm going to take mine off in a couple weekends to install a hondata gasket and maybe bigger injectors, and while i'm not looking forward to it i'm pretty confident it can be done by an amateur.
but as an example of how long something can take if you don't know how to do it or are mechanically retarded, the first time i tightened my main belt it took me almost an hour (not including the trip to the hardware store to get a particular wrench) b/c it was such a pain to find the right combination of wrenches and/or sockets to get to the two bolts. it took the shop 30-45 seconds.
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Geez people, have some balls and do it yourself.
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Originally posted by streetweapon JR in Westminster (Orange county by Disneyland) charges $725 for installing JRSC. I talked to them about it, and I'll be taking my car down there to get it installed (it's like 3hr drive, but I think it'll be worth it)
When did they quote you $725? Including dynos?
I called them just a couple weeks ago and was quoted $825 (with stock intake), which included 2 dyno runs..pre and post install. Two day job, 12mo./12,000 mile warranty (so more like 6 months for me) and prefered 1 week advance notice.
Thanks for all the input everyone. Couple of questions for doing it myself...
1. Is the only purpose for draining oil to relocate the filter on SH?
2. Is the only purpose for raising car on jack stands for one above? Because it seems almost impossible to work in the engine bay while on stands.
3. Would it be possible to install certain parts the weekend before? Meaning...prepare the intake, install fuel pump, and install EMS unit. Any harm possible by running with the JR fuel pump for a week before installing the main hardware? I could install the EMS unit under the seat and leave the wires disconnected.
By doing these smaller tasks one week before, it would leave me with plenty of time (and strength..job sounds exhausting) to work on the main hardware install..then just connect some wires and boost away. Is this doable?
i won't guarrantee this (heh) but i think you can connect the EMS completely (including the wire taps) and it wouldn't do *anything* to the car unless it saw boost. someone else can confirm this i'm sure.
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Originally posted by Kool-Lude Thanks for all the input everyone. Couple of questions for doing it myself...
1. Is the only purpose for draining oil to relocate the filter on SH?
2. Is the only purpose for raising car on jack stands for one above? Because it seems almost impossible to work in the engine bay while on stands.
3. Would it be possible to install certain parts the weekend before? Meaning...prepare the intake, install fuel pump, and install EMS unit. Any harm possible by running with the JR fuel pump for a week before installing the main hardware? I could install the EMS unit under the seat and leave the wires disconnected.
By doing these smaller tasks one week before, it would leave me with plenty of time (and strength..job sounds exhausting) to work on the main hardware install..then just connect some wires and boost away. Is this doable?
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Originally posted by schwett i won't guarrantee this (heh) but i think you can connect the EMS completely (including the wire taps) and it wouldn't do *anything* to the car unless it saw boost. someone else can confirm this i'm sure.
Wow..kool. I could also confirm this with JR.
So...Schwett, u think this is doable...and maybe even beneficial to spread out the install over a couple of weekends so i could take my time and do everything just right. Also thought i could get started on installing guages.
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the bulk of the work will render the car inoperable. the only part you could do now would be the EMS, gauges (would have to be partially undone to install the kit), fuel pump, oil filter relocation (sh), and a few other misc bits.
i would install the gauges first just for easier access to the fuel filter. after that, if it was my car (which i don't need to get to work) i would do it all at once, per the jr instructions step by step. i don't see any harm in spreading it out, but it's nice to follow the instructions exactly.
also consider getting a hondata gasket. i haven't yet seen first hand h22 results, but it looks like it helps the intake temps a lot, is cheap, and a piece of cake to install WHILE you're installing the charger. afterwards it's a whole different story.
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Wow..dool. I could also confirm this with JR.
So...Schwett, u think this is doable...and maybe even beneficial to spread out the install over a couple of weekends so i could take my time and do everything just right. Also thought i could get started on installing guages.
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Originally posted by schwett also consider getting a hondata gasket. i haven't yet seen first hand h22 results, but it looks like it helps the intake temps a lot, is cheap, and a piece of cake to install WHILE you're installing the charger. afterwards it's a whole different story.
Don't forget that you'll be draining engine coolant as well.
It wont be fun trying to remove anything near the intake manifold when coolant starts spilling all over the place.
But, to answer the other questions:
- I really cannot think of any reason why the EMS would alter normal driving. It only does its work when boost is present.
- Install the gauges ahead of time (boost, a/f, FP) so you can A) get them over with asap, and B) you'll get a feel for how the car acts N/A, and it'll help you when it comes to diagnosing F/I problems. I'm inclined to think he may do the FP install while doing the S/C install if he can't get to the fuel filter already. By then, everything else would be out of the engine and would give him ample room to access the fuel filter.
- You can do the fuel pump ahead of time as well.
- The Hondata gasket idea is perfect. Just remember you'll be spending some time scraping off the current gasket. But it's okay man, better now than when the blower's on.
It's all up to you. I think with installs like this, it's a matter of finding both ample time and ample balls. Take a deep breath and go for it. The key this is being extremely meticulous and going for as clean (and accurate) of an install as you can. The more work you do now, the less work you'll end up doing later. Practice going over the Helm's a couple times before you start, and things will be even easier.
Originally posted by iranman It's all up to you. I think with installs like this, it's a matter of finding both ample time and ample balls.
Iranman..thanks for popin in . I have never done anything this involved before, so i'm a bit shaky about it. Although, i am mechanically inclined and meticulous about clean and accurate work. Whether it be car repairs or house repairs, my work always comes out better than most pros. That said, i really don't have the time..but would fit it into my schedule. Hence, my reason for wanting to spread it out over a few weekends.
Let me ask u this...if u had to do it over again, and you had the $800 to spend, would you do it yourself or pay to have it installed by JR (2.5 hour drive away). Its not so much the money issue as it is being assured that it is done right. $800 for two days work to install a $3k part plus 12k mile warranty on their work sounds reasonable to me. Problem is i have little faith in most service shops, but maybe JR is an exception. Have you dealt with JR much and whats your opinion of them? Thanks for your help.
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Originally posted by Kool-Lude
Iranman..thanks for popin in . I have never done anything this involved before, so i'm a bit shaky about it. Although, i am mechanically inclined and meticulous about clean and accurate work. Whether it be car repairs or house repairs, my work always comes out better than most pros. That said, i really don't have the time..but would fit it into my schedule. Hence, my reason for wanting to spread it out over a few weekends.
Let me ask u this...if u had to do it over again, and you had the $800 to spend, would you do it yourself or pay to have it installed by JR (2.5 hour drive away). Its not so much the money issue as it is being assured that it is done right. $800 for two days work to install a $3k part plus 12k mile warranty on their work sounds reasonable to me. Problem is i have little faith in most service shops, but maybe JR is an exception. Have you dealt with JR much and whats your opinion of them? Thanks for your help.
hey kool, i know your asking iranman, but i live about 1 hour away from JR and did have $800 to spend, but i still did it myself and would do it again. i know exactly how you feel about being "mechanically inclined and meticulous about clean and accurate work". if you feel you can do it, i say go for it. you will learn alot, and when it comes to diagnosing problems later it will be much easier. i love looking under the hood and knowing whats up with the supercharger and everything versus getting it back from a shop and not knowing alot of stuff. but in your case if you really dont have the time.....and that $800 couldnt go to something better...take it to JR, i guess the dyno, and warranty are nice. plus it really SHOULD be done right.
Sh1t... I'd just take it to JR. Kind of hard to go wrong there, and think of all the time you'll save tuning.
But, then again that's just me... I wouldn't even give my Lude a valve adjustment myself. Sure wish I could dig under the hood of my new car and tune it without having to pay for labor... now that would be fun.
Alas, I am not educated in that area... and I really don't want to screw my car up...
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im in the same boat as you are kool-lude...in a couple months im going to buy the JRSC and im weighing my choice of 800 dollars profesional w/ tuning, or learning a heck of a lot more about my car if i do it myself.
a lot of helpful informatoin in here, right now im leaning torwards doing it myself. i was SO shakey when it came to changing my oil for the first time over a year ago, and then same thing when i installed 3k worth of audio components but managed to build the balls to do it, so im pretty sure i can do this too if i could do all of that.
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