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Old 09-17-2008, 09:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Need insight on boosting my SH

I have a 2000 Prelude SH that i have been wanting to boost for a long time now. I need some advice on what parts are the best for the setup i am trying to create. I dont have a set budget, and im not looking to buy cheap parts. You get what you pay for and i want something thats going to be fast and reliable, not cheap. I have a turbonetics T3/T4 turbo and am starting my kit from there. It is going to be a daily driver so im not looking for huge hp, for now, around 300 hp is what my goal is after tuning. Ive read that the atts system creates a problem when boosted but i have seen an SH boosted but disabled the atts system. I was also wondering if anyone knew how i should go about doing that? Thanks for any advice you can give me...
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I moved your post to the F/I forum where it is most appropriately held. You will find there a wealth of information concerning boosting your lude. Please read through the sticky'd material, as it is designed to answer much of what you are asking.

Here's a link to the performance library,
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:37 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I can give you some tips but first I'd like to know if you are still checking this thread for a reply to see if it's active
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Yeah im still checking it. Actually just recently i bent a few valves and it is really bad so im not driving it untill i can get the head rebuilt. But since i am planning on boosting it im going to get Skunk 2 Turbo 2 cams with titanium valves, valve springs, and retainers. Also im looking to get a 3 angle valve job and port and polish the head, and get it tuned with a Hondata s300. But on that note what internals do you suggest i put in and is there any other work i should look into getting done. Or am i going about this in the right way? Im trying to keep it under or around 2500 for now. But i know sometimes you need to spend more.
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N/ALude,

I was reading what you've put so far and was going to give you some really good info (and still will) but first you have to realize something about your budget...

I was once like you with a smaller budget. In fact, I was all the way up until I was 25 and deployed in Iraq where I was seeing some real cash flow and had the money "to do everything right." The money to do everything right will not even come close to $2500 I'm sorry to say. Although the amount is of course impressive, what you're asking for can't be done on that budget.

There will be some hard-core tuners out there that will argue this to death, claiming DSM turbo manifolds and 16G turbos can be had and built on the cheap (as well as the magazine Project Car polluting your mind it can be done that way), you used my favorite word... "reliable."

Because once you tune a car and add on all the goodies you can possibly want, I tell you from personal experience, a part of you will always be a little disappointed when you turn the key, take off down the street and your body is reading every little thing wrong with the car that never used to be with stock settings. A small rattle in the engine, a high pitched whistle at a certain RPM, a strange vibration in a place you can't identify, we've all had these problems. Even the cosmetic faults like a blacker bumper due to a too-rich mixture or a difference in the way your car used to purrr now sounds like a slightly skewed hum.

Please know that I support your decision fully to build up a tuner to your liking, but it is not an easy street. And with that, I will start with your questions:

First of all, I have an ATTS on my car as well. And yes, it is still on my car. When you install any type of standalone engine computer, you are going to lose ATTS, I'm sorry, but that's the facts. Initially with my build, I tried everything in the world to keep it and in the end, I knew I could not. But it is not really as missed as you would think. You're just going to have 40 pounds or so heavier weighing down the front of your car, but maybe in the future you can do something about that (I will talk about that later). The ATTS has it's own computer which looks like a car with an automatic transmission, the automatic transmission computer. I removed it to put the new P28 chipped Hondata S300 ECU in its place. The ATTS light doesn't even come on on the dash and the car accelerates like it used to.

As for wanting 300whp daily, yeah, you can probably do it on your setup I'm pretty sure of. That might be it though until you actually make more improvements down the road. But get an exhaust anywhere from 2.5" to 3" (most will recommend the 3") and make sure the intercooler piping is as short as you can make it and you should be okay. I say okay because there are alot of variables that you'll also need to consider when doing this as well. Such as your block. Your FRM sleeves in the H22 will not handle the amount of boost it takes to make 300whp, case closed. You are going to need to rebuild the block.

I wrote a terribly long reply to this guy who probably learned more than he wanted on the nature of tuning and the nature of the H22 motor (in particular the FRM sleeves). I would suggest to read it as well.
JRSC on a JDM H22A Lude?

And with the head destroyed, this only straps your cash even more... You will be able to rebuild the head, but I would suggest looking around online for 2 weeks or so for somebody selling their head. There is a good deal that you might be able to find one with aftermarket parts already in that you want for a price that'd be equal to the labor it would cost to reassemble your current head. That's how I found mine.

Your idea of cams is sound as is your idea of valve springs too (get double valve springs to rev higher). However, all standard valve jobs are 3 angle, just to let you know. Only the more exotic valve jobs climb up in numbers and get retarded expensive (mainly used for purpose built engines like NASCAR or the fasted drag cars).

If there was any way to skimp on certain areas in order to save a little bit of money, I would strongly recommend to not port and polish your head. I'm not saying it's a bad idea at all, but your Honda Head already flows extremely well from the factory and pressurizing it will be fine up to probably your 300whp level or maybe a little more.

I want to see you get this project done just as much as you. Building cars is extremely fun and a very rewarding hobby. But if you have not done them much before, I must caution you that behind every build are problems galore and it's the unexpected ones that'll eat up your budget in a heartbeat.

You don't have to take my word on it, but I highly encourage you to read my thread The Best Prelude in the World

It's all about my adventures in my entire buildup. You'll probably like it and it's filled with lots of pictures too.

Best of luck!
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Thanks so much for the advice i really appreciate it. I do respect the detail that you are using in explaining everything. I have alot of friends in my area that have cars from stock to 1000 hp street racing cars. So i kinda know what to expect but am hoping for the best. I do have a Tanabe super racing 2.5" cat back. That was one of the first things i did. As for rebuilding the head one of my friends works at a parts store and for all the skunk 2 parts with a discount its just over $1000. For the cams, titanium valves, double valve springs and the titanium retainers. And if you think i can get by for now with not getting the head ported and polished then thats $500 i can wait to spend. As for the block i plan on keeping it stock and if i get the turbo on just running 7 lbs until i can do the work to build up the block. I called my local tuner shop, Slowmotion, when i first herd the valve and got the work priced for a rough estimate and what they charge for the work that needs to be done and it was around 2500 for the head work. Give or take a little depending on anything else that might be done. But since my cars just sitting in my garage i need to get it running since it is my only car but also while getting the work done on the head to get it running i might as well build it for what i plan on doing to the car while the works being done. So if it was your car and you were in my situation with no real set budget for the head work what exactly would you do?
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I would probably spend my money getting everything to the head done that you need. Labor is always cheaper when everything is out and they're gonna have to put it in regardless. I would suggest you leave nothing left behind when doing the head then because when you get your next chunk of change, it can be for fortifying the engine. And then you'll be ready for boost. Remember, just because parts cost a certain amount doesn't mean there aren't huge unrelated and related costs that come with it. Start living by the motto "do it right the first time or don't do it" and you'll be glad you did. Nothing has cost me more than going back to do it right again, as much as you think it won't happen to you.

Keep me informed on your headwork and get that car running!
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Thanks man i really appreciate it! yea shes looking pretty sad just parked in my garage.
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Hey man its been a few months but its almost there. Turns out i spun a main bearing and bent the crank. Luckily the head is in good condition. Its been at my local shop and I've religiously taken your advice on doing it right the first time. Over $6200 later the blocks ready for boost. I went with Darton sleeves, JE pistons 9.0:1 compression, Eagle H rods, new crank, new bearings, water pump, oil pump, ARP head studs, Hondata s300, obd1 conversion, ACT 6 puck clutch, and re-surfaced the flywheel. It should be done here in about 2 and a half weeks and then ready to move onto saving for Head work. Thanks again for all your advise!
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haha yea i had a small budget when i spun the main bearing but I've been working non stop since then and have built up an ok budget since then thankfully. and i was able to get a car to drive while the prelude has been out.
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haha yea i had a small budget when i spun the main bearing but I've been working non stop since then and have built up an ok budget since then thankfully. and i was able to get a car to drive while the prelude has been out.
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$6200?!

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Haha in a good way or a bad way?
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in a "i can't believe someone knows how to build anything right anymore" way. That's a lot of green, I just hope all your machine shops/installation people do quality work!

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Finally got the block back from the machine shop with the Darton sleeves in it.


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Thought i would re-post these pics... and while i wait for a call any day now from slowmotion telling me the ludes ready to be picked up i figured id throw in a pic of the turbo i have waiting to be put on.







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