This stuffs all new to me. But, what other things am i going to have to do to get stronger pistons into my block? I know i have to get the block sleeved, which this will cover, but what other kind of work/expenses am i looking at to fit some normal off the shelf JE pistons in there?
Are they going to fit right in? or will they need further care to be put in?
Then what. Am I free at last to put the block together and have some fun?
Sorry about all the questions. My turn to be a newbie =]
Like they said on that groupbuy page, for final fitment of the piston you need to get the sleeves honed. Standard work for every rebuild which is properly done on a machine.
You'll need the JE pistons. 9:1 compression is their standard off the shelf H22a turbo piston. The pistons come with the wrist pin and retaining clips. You'll also need rings. This is where I'm a little confused. I didn't get rings with my JE pistons (even though I ordered them) so I planned to just use stock rings, but I've heard the stock rings don't fit JE pistons. I'm going to have to research that. Anyone know about this? And you'll need the rods.
Who's putting your engine back together? They'll need Honda bearings and new gaskets. I think that's about it. You probably want to get all the crap done to the engine that you can think of while it's out. Oil pump, water pump, timing belt, new autotensioner, bleh...bleh.. bleh...
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Mark Higgins
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yea....i might have golden eagle put the pistons and rods in. And I will call and see what they recommend to use with je pistons. Where did you order your pistons and rods? price?
I ordered the pistons directly from SRP/JE. The price was around $570.00 without the rings. In stock, sent right away. The JE pistons have sharp edges where the valve reliefs were cut into them. I'll be sanding those down Endyn style before I put them in the engine.
The Crower rods I ordered from Summit because I thought I would get them faster. They ended up sending me H23a rods first and taking them back, then they sent me Acura LS 1.8l rods (is there even such an engine?), before drop shipping the H22a rods directly to me from Crower. It took 2 months to get them. The cost was about $650.00 for those. I still have the Acura rods. Anyone want them?
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Depending on how much boost you are running you may need to sleeve the engine, I am using 1/8" ductile iron sleeves. Unless you have an AIC I'm not sure how your gonna get extra fuel into the engine. I think the Honda ecu will only drive 330cc?? injectors max. Its costing me a fair bit, so look to drop a load of cash!!
You need to sleeve the engine no matter what with forged pistons because of stock FRM sleeves(it's generaly accepted, though I've never heard any proof of this)
I don't really know where this post came from since we're talking specificly about a mechanical rebuild. PureLude already has a Hondata ECU upgrade, he's pretty much in the clear there.
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Mark Higgins
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What does that actually mean, (haveing to sleeve the engine,) I think its like a big gasket but aluminum, Im not sure, let me know.. Oh, and how much more hp will u get if u do that and hone it and get new pistons with lower compression and rods.. How much more POWERRRRRRR.!!! . let me know, thanks, MIke
The sleeves are the cylinders that the pistons go up and down in. If you resleeve you are usually replacing these sleeves with thicker ductile iron sleeves for strength.
Lower compression and putting in forged pistons and rods lets your engine handle more power and more boost. It doesn't make any power itself. How much power you get out of it is dependent on the rest of your setup.
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Ok, so say I got the lower compression pistons and rods, and got it resleeved , would it be wiser to get the turbo??? See I want my car as a sometimes daily driver(doesnt make much sense)and a strip car too, See when I go out sometimes with it, I want to just blow people away.. And just sit back and laugh, but then again I want a s- - - load of power, so Im thinking turbo is the ticket huh? Well if I do that what system would u recomend.. thanks
Originally posted by mjohnson Ok, so say I got the lower compression pistons and rods, and got it resleeved , would it be wiser to get the turbo??? See I want my car as a sometimes daily driver(doesnt make much sense)and a strip car too, See when I go out sometimes with it, I want to just blow people away.. And just sit back and laugh, but then again I want a s- - - load of power, so Im thinking turbo is the ticket huh? Well if I do that what system would u recomend.. thanks
You can boost more with your SC if you build up the internals.
It's easier to crank up the boost on a turbo though.
Ok, I am going turbo, I was reading alot of posts and I heard people saying u can get so much damn hp with the f-max turbo, if u build up the bottom end. which i am in the process of doing.. If u have turbo can u manually adjust how much boost u want to use, Im certain u can but dont know much about that.. OH and if I resleeve my engine , which I am, where can I get new iron sleeves, 1/8 inch or whatever the other guys said he had. So if u get the new sleeves, the cylinders have to be honed out that 1/8 of an inch for the new to fit right? and then after u get that in doesnt the new sleeves have to be honed out too.. Let me know please.. thanks. Mike
That was one of my questions when i ordered my internals from Race Eng. They confirmed that I can't use the stock rings...I bought the ones they recommended (not totalseal...heard bad things about them) I'll look what brand when I get home if you want.
Also...anyone know any further mods to make while the engine is apart?? I've heard not to shim the spring in the oilpump as the pressures are already high...any ideas on changes in the waterpump to prevent cavitation at high rpms? Also, opinions on knife-edging the crank...good/bad? IIRC I heard something about it not being good on a f/i application.
--Ian
Mark, I'll give a friend your email about the LS rods...he's building his motor soon...
I gave JE a call and they're sending the rings 2 day UPS for me. I thought they just didn't include them in the order, but when I called they said they should have been shipped with the pistons.
I'm going to call Summit about picking up those damn LS rods today. I know if I just leave them they're going to charge me for them or something. They're still just sitting there.
Race Eng doesn't take AmEx and refuses to ship to any address other than the shipping address, so on them.
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Mark Higgins
Toronto Prelude Club www.hondaprelude.to
Originally posted by DirtyLude I gave JE a call and they're sending the rings 2 day UPS for me. I thought they just didn't include them in the order, but when I called they said they should have been shipped with the pistons.
Golden Eagle told me that for their h22a applications they use JE's rings. For integras and civics they use eitehr stock or JE's.
I really liked the picture of the Golden Eagle block that was posted. I'm going show the picture to the machine shop and see if they can reproduce the work.
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Mark Higgins
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