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Old 10-05-2005, 08:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bottom End Built To Take 6-12psi Safely?

Hey guys, I was thinking of going Greddy turbo next spring and I think I'd be wise to build my bottom end a bit. I want to run boost without too much worry about blowing anything up pending I keep it down.

I want to run low to start, work to 6 and then make my way to 10-12psi when everything is settled in. What sort of mods would you guys recommend to make this a safe setup? Nothing extreme, just the essentials. Also, what sort of computer/piggyback should I run with the turbo setup? I'm not sure how expensive Hondata gets so I'll leave this to you guys that have a clue. The only FI car I ever ran was an 89' T-Bird Turbo Coupe and I never had to touch a thing. It ran 14psi all day and all night.
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12psi is going to be different on every turbo, so its not really a good way to measure. Hp limit is what you should be looking at. On that note, I made 291whp on a Mustang dyno (~330whp on Dynojet) daily driven for 3 years with no problems at all. So its really down to who's doing the tuning on your car.
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I'd like to put down about 220-230 hp at the wheels when I'm done modifying.
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Old 10-06-2005, 09:33 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Just make sure you get hondata or Neptune or AEM EMS or standalone ECU no piggyback for ECU, I'm still on stock block with 20K riding on turbo and it been a year driving it daily. You should be find using P72 hondata S200b making 289whp and yet still on stock clutch looking for replacement but i want to add lsd on top of it too. Anyway the car is 115k right now.
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If you only want to make 230 wheels then dont waste money on a motor build. You can hit that with no build and be perfectly safe.
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stock block, Hondata (Uberdata, Chrome whatever), big injectors, turbo kit and your done.
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Yup, 230 is easy and can be done safely with good engine management and tuning. I think the Greddy kit with intercooler is a perfect choice for such a street setup. I can't wait to put mine on.
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I can't wait to put mine on.
now, ... i didnt let that one out of the bag dave ...
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I was looking to do Hondata S300, for the simplicity of tuning because it's really not my forte'. I think the only thing I will have a hard on doing myself is the OBDII -> OBDI which I know I also need a harness for. How much power is the stock clutch good for pending I am not doing huge burnouts?
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still on stock clutch 115k and turbo have been riding on stock clutch for like 20k and still counting. Just don't ride the clutch and you will be okay. My car got no traction at launching but when doing it on a punch at 40 i can hang with 03 M3.
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still on stock clutch 115k and turbo have been riding on stock clutch for like 20k and still counting. Just don't ride the clutch and you will be okay. My car got no traction at launching but when doing it on a punch at 40 i can hang with 03 M3.
Thats amazing! I had a 2000 Accord with a turbo kit it only lasted like 10K before i started having ring land issues in cyl 1 160PSI. I'd rather not turbo my lude and have same issues but now you have be interested in this topic. How hard do you beat on yours? I know daily it was most of the time WOT, Yeah i know i'm hard on things.
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if u want 230 to the wheels, u can even run greddys fuel management that comes with the greddy kit, the car would run alot better though if u tune it, but right out the box, that power goal should be easily reached.... im actually thinkin of goin turbo again...with the greddy kit.
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Rings lands failing is the signature of detonation, you need better tuning/engine management.
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Thats amazing! I had a 2000 Accord with a turbo kit it only lasted like 10K before i started having ring land issues in cyl 1 160PSI. I'd rather not turbo my lude and have same issues but now you have be interested in this topic. How hard do you beat on yours? I know daily it was most of the time WOT, Yeah i know i'm hard on things.
What did you use for fuel management? I do streetraces a lot usually tuesday and thrusday night i said about 5 runs each night. Mostly i think if you want to be safe you have to invest in a good standalone like neptune, hondata oe aem ems and boosting like 7psi is find, and watching your oil level; change your oil at the right time. I use larger oil filter with sythetic oil and change about every 4.5-5k. However i think my car burn oil more then regular now. I have to add oil in like 1/4 or a little more of a quarts every 2 weeks, I check my oil level once a week before heading out to work.
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I ran 11 pounds on the 18G with AEM EMS before I upgraded. Engine was fine. Ring landings going are a sign on detonation. If you want anything more than 230 then dont do the greddy kit.
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After reading all of these posts...



Don't forget to tune

but in all seriousness, Chrome or Neptune have had pretty good feedbacks. I plan on trying out the Neptune once I get my setup off of my closet floor
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I'm looking for something pretty user-friendly that doesn't take a lot of hack work to install or tune... hence the S300 seemed tempting though I know I'd have a cow installing it.
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I'm looking for something pretty user-friendly that doesn't take a lot of hack work to install or tune... hence the S300 seemed tempting though I know I'd have a cow installing it.
Before you pick a system for your car, check around local area to know any tuner, and ask them what are they or known best for. B/C if you have a good system and bad tuner then might as well throw that the system away.
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I keep searching online on forums, saw this one guy that boosted 7monnths on hondata ECU tune and it went due to ring lands. Seems to be another owner with a OBD I conversion on an 2000 accord running hondata, 10k of heavy abuse and it was gone as well. Sounds to me like no matter which way you go, if your abuse it even with a good tune its not going to hold up as long as you would expect. I think im the worse canidate for a boosted prelude lol Ive been pretty hard on my last 2 cars, Im addicted to boost I have a problem
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just because they had hondata doesn't mean it was tuned well. i had hondata and a not so good tuner and it detenated so bad is loosened up my arp headstuds and blew a head gasket which ended up blowing my whole damn head.
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ouch. I'll be sure to tell my tuner that detonation will result in a swift uppercut. however I am fairly confident a few guys here could run a basic turbo setup like I am planning.
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Old 10-19-2005, 09:08 AM   #22 (permalink)
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i dought that 220-230 is the hp u'll stop.. alot of us here SAID the same thing, but once we got a taste of boost ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE...boost = drugs = addicted.
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how much would it actually cost to do around 250WHP give or take
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I'm kinda skeptical too since i heard a lot of people complaining about H22 ringland problems. Philip in NTPOG having as almost an identical system as mine, and maybe the same tuner, he just kill his motor, I'm a little shaking too lol. However, plan or no plan on building the motor, once you touch boost and taste it you know that down the line you will build that motor so you can crank up the boost.
Right now i'm neck to neck with my friend 03 M3 from a punch. I want to raise the boost to 10lbs so i can edge him out a little, but still holding strong not to do it since i got no money for a 10lbs dyno run and retune.
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