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Old 07-17-2005, 08:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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afc hack tuning...

alright ... my lude is alive!

ran it yesterday.. (setup)
t3/to4e turbonetics
440cc
walboro pump
missing link
vafc2
spearco 28" ic
2.5" piping all around ..
downpipe just finished ( local shop did **** job... i bottom out on everything w/ it)
obd1 p13 jun program (run rich vtec hits late 5700 but hard)
msd 6al ss blaster coil magnecor 8 mm wires

i know i know im getting hondata s200 w/ boost data logging etc... soon but as for right now.... im tryin to get things moving...

i read j. davis post about vafc hack on honda tech. i had gathered that it can be done but the more boost is usually alot better as per timing and fuel.
i have my vafc tuned to -27% pretty much all the way around narr throttle
and i left my wide open regular...

when i first started it smoked alot ... i let it sit running to clear itself out. then i drove to a friends house to get a lil better tune. it boosted fine i wasnt pushing to WOT scared of the results it was running fine w/ a buck at 4-5k rpm. i read that is common. but still i drive it most of the day tuning and testing it drove great. then finally i w/ vafc set at -33% narrow thrott i gunned it. i got it up to 10psi ... freakin monster! still ran good... a little smoke here and there but not bad. then drove home not boosting a lot and i started getting a almost misfire noise. but still boosting like it was. later that night i start er up after checking spark plugs and the gap on my ACCEL 1 step colder then stock plugs w/ less then .020 and i know stock ours is .030 close to that so i made the accels .030 i would think this helps w/ msd running. i start her up.... and it smoking again... white smoke out of the that vaccum line that comes from the valve cover... i didnt put a filter back on that yet. WHITE SMOKE = FUEL? i assumes since i have bigger injectors and a stock rail that not all the fuel is being burned so my engine is just blowing smoke (blow by) ... what should i do ... ?? down the vafc to -40??? all the way around on narr and wide throttle .... should i take the missing link off???
switch ecus?? i switched them yesterday w/ a p28 stock and it ran worse ... so i kept my p13 in.... i did searchs and i really couldnt find what im looking for ...so if anybody has the time.... or the patience please help ... im trying to understand the fuel curve and timing retard but im not understanding. thanks sorry for the big post
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Old 07-17-2005, 12:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Dude, stop boosting on the car. I'm serious, stop boosting on the car. Before you do anything else, do a compression check, because I fear you have already damaged your motor.

Knowledge can be dangerous. It seems from reading this that you read a bunch of things and tried to apply ideas that you didn't undertsand.

You don't use a missing link if you want to run the AFC 'hack'. You need the VAFC to be supplied with whatever MAP voltage the MAP sensor supplies during boost, so that the VAFC can fuel the motor 'properly' (I use this term loosely here). The 'hack' will in turn limit what the ecu sees so you won't get a CEL for positive pressure.

I've read J. Davis' writings on the ignition timing as well. What that ultimately means is that the 'hack' is a bad idea. Hardly anyone uses it anymore because of the ignition issue, and the fact that it doesn't really work that well. I don't see ANYTHING for pulling timing for boost in your parts list. That would pretty much take care of the ignition issue, by using something like an MSD BTM so you can dial in a certain amount of ignition retard per pound of boost. To make matters worse, the JUN modified ecu very likely has a more aggressive ignition map than stock, so not only are you boosting on stock timing, you are boosting on ignition timing that has been advanced from stock.

Of course the p28 ran worse. You can't run a stock p28 on an H series motor, period. It needs to be chipped with an H series map.

You shouldn't need to gap your plugs less than .026. Stock is .044, by the way.

You don't have a wideband O2 setup, so you have no idea how much or how little fuel the motor is getting during boost. Couple that with the use of a missing link, the use of the JUN ecu, and no ignition retard, you are basically playing Russian roulette with your motor, and from the sounds of it you may have already blown something up.

If you had plans on getting Hondata, you should have waited and got Hondata. None of this should have happened.
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Also, white smoke is typically coolant.

Stop driving till you have real engine managment.
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WOW! well im gonna get it compression tested right away... i have a hondata s200 w/ boost on the way.... alot of white smoke is coolant.>>? i thought it meant gas alright thanx
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I really do hope it is ok. As Jesse said, white smoke often means coolant. What you can do right now is check for oil in the coolant, and coolant in the oil. There is the possibility you have blown your headgasket, or lifted your head.

Please keep us udated.
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Old 07-17-2005, 05:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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well from the the oil return i have a small oil leak.... at the pan.... and when i check it ... on the bottom it looks as if there is coolant in the oil... but im not sure.... oil seems really waterey.... ?? but it was kinda doing that before i even boosted
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okay shark... i think i blew my head gasket or i have a crack in the block... BUT.... i did see this oilish/ green fluid on my driveway while i was doing the initial install. tomorrow i will get a compression test. i dont see any coolant leaking from around the head.

so to clear up my issues....
sell afc... which is now happening
get hondata which is now happening... its a p72 hondata s200 w/ boost data logging and some e rom thing... also setup for 440cc injectors
sell p13
now do i get rid of missing link? i also have tial 38mm wastegate w/ 7 psi spring so i shouldnt be able to boost past 7 right?
can hondata retard timing?
and i am going to a shop near me to get a good tune
is there anything else i can do?
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um... where are you located?
I can reccomend a better tuning solution which is cheaper and better quality depending on where you live.
If you don't live in the right area, I guess you have to go with hondata, but it isn't a good time to buy hondata.
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from all the things u said... im 90% sure ur head gasket took a dump...compression test will tell u how bad ur block got... but if u unplug your wires n look or blow air inside the spark plugs u'll prolly see coolant inside... cause it happen to me my cyclinder #4 took a BIG hit when i top out the car @ 160.mph..
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