Ok...so my brother has an 03 mustang GT with exhuast and intake, other than that he is pretty much stock. He runs his mouth alot and thinks he can smoke me. We havent really raced yet but i know he can beat me. We are goin to St.Lious in the spring to go to a car show, the track, and the bars...
Anyways i need help on what i can do to my car in order to try and take him. Or if im going in the rite direction.I need to shut him up in front of all the ppl at the track.
I was thinking of doing Skunk2 60 or 68mm throttle body and skunk2 intake manifold.. and maybe AEM power pullies. I currently have AEM CAI, DC header, Greddy Exhaust. Just the basics.
your bro's car stock is prob packin 260 hp. With the intake and exhaust he prob has 300 give or take a few. You can't gain that much power with just bolt on's on the lude. So for straight away's I wouldn't even think about trying to beat him if that's all you're willing to do. Track is another story, a less powered car with a better track setup and good driver can very well make up for the lack of power.
We drive an inline 4 and your bros car is a v8. Only thing I can think of is the stang prob weighs maybe 3 or 400 lbs more?
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Its a 5spd. I think his best time might have been a 14.5 but im not sure. Im not a bad driver and im positive i can launch on him. He has problems hooking up, so i have that to my advantage. Im not looking at smoking him, im just looking at either keeping up or pulling off a win. He thinks he can smoke me no prob, i just wanna give him a good run and show him up abit. So alittle more power would be nice.. im just not sure where to throw the money into.(i dont wanna juice tho)
Its a 5spd. I think his best time might have been a 14.5 but im not sure. Im not a bad driver and im positive i can launch on him. He has problems hooking up, so i have that to my advantage. Im not looking at smoking him, im just looking at either keeping up or pulling off a win. He thinks he can smoke me no prob, i just wanna give him a good run and show him up abit. So alittle more power would be nice.. im just not sure where to throw the money into.(i dont wanna juice tho)
You have to be very good at launching a Prelude to run under a 15 second 1/4 mile. It also helps to shift at 8k on the tach.
Aside from lot's of expensive N/A or turbo work. Nitrous would be the only way to beat him, as some simple bolt ons are not going to help you enough.
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Yes me and my brother are pretty competitive, we are pretty close tho so its not in a bad way. So if beating him without juicing is out of the question. What can i try in order to keep up with him pretty good. He ran a 14.6 at 97mph...
^ Launching at over 4k RPM and going 30% off then the rest to keep traction. Then shifting at 8k RPM on the tach, but you will still not quite beat a 14.6.
You may be able to get a few tenths on reaction time. Where were you planning on racing? If you use a light or tree you could beat him that way.
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$600 nitrous - don't forget to tune
$480 traction bar
=$1000 and you win
or....if you are a really good driver:
race from a rolling start
buy a PSPEC or Forbidden short shifter(not out yet)
and learn how to shift really fast and precise. you can out drive the GT.
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I do need a short shifter to help with my shifting. I am pretty fast at shifting...i had a friend teach me how to launch and gave me tips on fast shifting. I know i can outdrive my brother (Not cocky just that iv driven his car better than he has). As for the PSPEC short shifter, is it really worth $200 cuz that seems pretty spendy to me. But if a real good product then i wouldnt mind paying for it.
actually shifting at 8 grand is pointless,when i had my car tune they told me to **** at 68oo is optimal.because that is where the car is gonna give it all it has,after that point it falls on its face and it is a waste to rev a car much higher than 7gs.
Solid-We got about 20ppl going on a road trip to St.Lious (ppl from Iowa, Neb, S.Dakota). There is a car show there in may, so we are going there and to the track they have down there(not sure which one?). Pretty much we are going to the car show, racing, and getting drunk at the bars. Its what i call heaven on earth.
Oh yea..im almost positive the track will use a tree. I just hope i can take advantage of him not being able to hook up rite away. I still would like to have alittle more power tho. so any suggestions on where to gain that would be nice.
actually shifting at 8 grand is pointless,when i had my car tune they told me to **** at 68oo is optimal.because that is where the car is gonna give it all it has,after that point it falls on its face and it is a waste to rev a car much higher than 7gs.
it's not actually 8k, it's about 7400. the stock tach is just off a bit when it's up that high. If you shift at 6800 you'll drop out of vtec in the next gear. You want to land in the middle of your powerband, which is why shifting up higher will net you better times
that may be right that 7400 is redline but the car is out of its peak power at that point.if he is able to get it tuned then they will prob adjust v-tec to hit at 4800,which is turn would keep the car in that peak power band.so just because redline is at 7400 or whatever you run it up doesnt mean that you are making your peak power at that point
Get a vtec contoller to set your vtec lower at about 4,500rpm then shift at 6,800. I would say go turbo if you can afford it because that gves you way more power than juice.....but juice on a propper tuned engine will put down some good numbers. look at nocturn's post he has a good setup that dont cost to much anddosent take much time....He said he has 406hp at the wheels.
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If all you want to do is beat a GT, most of these boltons you're talking about will be a complete waste of time... As stated before you need 100 shot of nitrous, a tune, and maybe an intake to facilitate the nitrous delivery. Unless you have a a few grand burning a hole in your pocket, then you can get turbo.
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Don't listen to these guys and shift at 6,800, as that will make your revs very low for the next gear. If anyone believes shifting early helps they seriously need to go time so 1/4 mile runs while shifting early. By shifting like I described you can run at or under 15 seconds on street tires.
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if i can find my dyno sheet which should be in my car i wil post it,you can see that it pretty much falls flat after 6800 rpm,so wats the point of reving it out to 7500+ if you arent producing power at those rpms
Ok so unless i outdrive him, which is my best chance, i wont win with what i have done now. So i dont wanna get smoked..so my question now is, what should my next step to gaining more hp? Cams?
I think Solid is talking about shifting at 8k for a car without lowered vtec.
And I think silver1998lude is talking about shifting at 6800 with a car retuned and lowered vtec.
Go out on a straight backroad and try both of them, haha.
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