Road racing and AutoXin, no expense what suspension?? - Honda Prelude Forum

Rudaluda · 03-02-2006, 07:24 PM

As the title states to no expense, what would you guys choose? whats a great setup that keeps you glued and feels comfortable.

71dsp · 03-02-2006, 08:06 PM

No dollar limit? Eh, Moton or Koni 2822. Be prepared to spend a $1500 to $2000 per shock once you include all of the machining and custom parts.

Rudaluda · 03-02-2006, 08:50 PM

i tried to find the koni 2822 couldnt but, i think im gonna go a more reasonable route with a 2500 spending limit on suspension i think im gonna go with F2's and progress rear with progress end links and look into a big brake kit.

Joeboxer212 · 03-02-2006, 09:12 PM

From what I hear 71dsp also makes some great endlinks, but be prepared to pay good $$$

71dsp · 03-02-2006, 09:16 PM

$2500 includes the entire suspension or jsut the shocks and springs? If it's the entire suspension that's a fair budget build up. If you're looking at $2500 for just the shocks and springs, I'd look at Konis that have been revalved and shorted, or something like TrueChoice's stage 4 setup. Or if you have access to do some custom machining, the Koni 3011s would be nice, a bit overkill, but nice. I run the Koni 3011s on custom mounts with H&R race springs (900 lb/in front and 1100 lb/in rear).

I think I have well over $2500 into the suspension though.

Rudaluda · 03-02-2006, 10:15 PM

nah i think im gonna spread it out a bit more, prolly get the fastbrake ultralite kit. as far as shocks and springs idk, I got 3 co's in mind, either JIC FLAt-2 or Tein Flex's or Function over Form's. i got 4 months to decide what to get just really weighing what i want, i dont want to spend the money than dislike the setup.

luder94si · 03-02-2006, 10:44 PM

Why do you want the large brake upgrade? IMHO, that will bump you into classes where you won't be competitive for autocross & for track days, you'd be better off with just a decent set of real brake pads. Even if you build a race-car out of your prelude to NASA H-2 or SCCA ITS spec.s, the brake upgrade wouldn't be legal. If you're serious about autocross, HPDE, track days, time-trials, or eventually road-racing, the large brake upgrade is a waste of money. The stock Prelude VTEC 11" rotors & calipers work very well with a good track pad (unless you're racing a H1, 230 WHP, 2300lb Prelude like Corey's car)

Just spend the money on a good shock/spring combo & a large rear anti-sway bar. Then take the left over money & get some track time

TimeRacer · 03-02-2006, 10:49 PM

Don't bother with any of the Japan stuff if you want the best use of your money. Also if you want the "ultimate" suspension you're looking for a monotube generally and not a twin tube which is what the Flex's are. I'd recommend you do some more reasearch into the subject before plopping down money if you're truly intending upon getting a good suspension. Regardless, to be "good" it's not going to come out of the same box. It's going to need to be pieced together a bit.

71dsp · 03-03-2006, 04:55 AM

So he's gone from no expense spared to $2500 including a brake kit???!! Won't the brake kit be $1k to $1,2500?

Really what he's looking for is a real budget suspension setup, nothing even close to extreme. I'd say stay away from the JIC, F2, and all that stuff. I really don't even like Tein. The OTS Konis are a bit soft for me, but you can have them revalved to race specs. That would be my first choice for a "serious" setup.

Rudaluda · 03-03-2006, 05:48 AM

So he's gone from no expense spared to $2500 including a brake kit???!! Won't the brake kit be $1k to $1,2500? -71dsp

I guess i thought about it i got the funds to go all out, but this is my first "Real" year. Ive done alot of bullsh$t racing and parking lots. So i want to slowly work my way into it. But now im kinda lost as to which shocks and springs. but you guys are great thanks for the help.

71dsp · 03-03-2006, 06:59 AM

If you're lost for now, sh*t can the idea of doing the brakes. The Prelude's brakes are more than adequate for almost anything you do. David has been racing on stock brakes for 3+ years with no problems at all.

For suspension, look at springs and shocks. Again, they're a bit soft for my taste, but Konis with Ground Controls are hard to beat. If you want them race ready out of the box, just send them to Koni to have them revalved before you install them, won't be cheap, though. For sway bars, leave the front alone, just buy a new rear one. Progress or ST, I prefer Progress, but I'm going to be running a 3 piece bar this year.

Paul H22 · 03-03-2006, 07:10 AM

I'll just reiterate most of the things said above.

I love my revalved OTS Konis with Ground Control. Fully adjustable and very affordable.

Progress makes one of the best prelude rear sway bars. Do not buy the Progress endlinks. Have some made. A guy named 71DSP makes them on here.

JP Page · 03-03-2006, 07:11 AM

I'm building a budget set up peice by peice. I really like my koni/GC combo with 450f&r. The springs are a little soft but I don't have the money right now for a revalve. Just got the progress bar in and will be going out to the track tomorrow.

I would recomend going with some OTS konis for now, then get some GC and keep the set up slightly simple for now. Make sure this is what you want to do with your money. No shame in running the OTS knois for a while then getting them revalved when you are sure you want to up the performance.

ExodusFX · 03-03-2006, 07:35 AM

Haha I like how the budget went from limitless to $2500 so quickly. I'd really stay away from the Japanese brands, unless you want it mainly for the name and recognition. $1700~ could get you OTS koni yellows + revalve/shortenning + CG's w/ the spring rates of your choice. (my setup) Then you'd have some money left over for a good sway bar and endlinks. As for brakes, just invest in some good pads, fluid and some cheapo track rotors.

71dsp · 03-03-2006, 08:03 AM

Autozone $27 Duralast rotors have served me well!

If you're looking for some track wheels, there's a group buy going on 15x8 Rotas.

If you need any other Rota wheels, just let me know!

Rudaluda · 03-03-2006, 10:41 AM

thanks alot guys for all the info maybe some day ill be joinin the ranks of yall

Rudaluda · 03-06-2006, 02:48 PM

oh yeah i had a friend who called his friend, which drove a all motar b18 hatch, he had koni yellows with eibach springs....let me tell you what there was no bounce, i could feel everything, real smooth! So im gonna order me up some koni ots's with GC's thanks guys.

LowFlyin' · 03-06-2006, 06:19 PM

I have OTS Koni's w/ Neuspeed Race springs...and I wished the Koni's (and springs) were stiffer. With my current setup, I fell the car bounces more than it should. The Neuspeed springs are well within the range of the shocks. Also, if you are dropping the car more than 1.5", I'd go ahead and recommend getting the shocks shortened. I have no gap between the fender and the top of the tires, and I probably have around 25% of the bound travel left.

mtbprelude · 03-07-2006, 10:06 AM

If I had 2500 to spend and wanted the best suspension for the money:

I'd start looking around for used Koni Yellows in the usual places: Ebay, all the Honda/Prelude sites etc. and see if I could pick up a set of dead/blown shocks for cheap (~250-400 MAX) and a set of race springs in the rates I think I want. Then I'd call Lee Grimes or Gordon Benson at Koni-Na and send them off for revalving (~ 150/shock = 600) shortening them adds another $60+ per shock)

I'd still have around $1500 to play with, so I'd refresh all my bushings (~$150 for a set) and get a Progress R sway bar (~$225). New Brake pads (HP+: ~$180) and New OEM size rotors ($100-500 depending on what I wanted to buy/blingy-ness)

The ~$450 un-accounted for would go for labor, or beer and food for my group of friends helping me do the work.

But thats just me, and I drive a miata, now.

Ludeaholic · 03-19-2006, 04:30 PM

Im thinking about getting my OTS konis revalved... How much does it cost to get them done?