I need a fast fix for wicked understeer. I am without any sort of bars now btw. At 100mph a minor curve in the road induces understeer and it gets scary. I am talking about LONG turns in the area of 50+ yards full turn and I get it bad. I can't be going in to fast because my buddy's chunky eclipse (2003) has no problems. It's even worse on tighter turns but I need to start somewhere.
1) Replace the rear swaybar with a larger, stiffer bar
2) Get stiffer springs
3) Run stiffer springs in the rear
4) Get adjustable shocks. Run them stiffer in the rear
5) Run less tire pressure in the rear tires
The idea is to limit traction in the rear so it gives out before the front does. This will reduce understeer.
It's not suprising you have understeer. You're nearly stock.
Honda and most FWD vehicles are designed to understeer from the factory for saftey reasons. Tests and experience have proven that a understeering car is easier to control than a tail happy oversteering car, for the majority of consumers.
So get a better suspension setup and that will help out tremendously.
1) Replace the rear swaybar with a larger, stiffer bar
2) Get stiffer springs
3) Run stiffer springs in the rear
4) Get adjustable shocks. Run them stiffer in the rear
5) Run less tire pressure in the rear tires
The idea is to limit traction in the rear so it gives out before the front does. This will reduce understeer.
It's not suprising you have understeer. You're nearly stock.
Honda and most FWD vehicles are designed to understeer from the factory for saftey reasons. Tests and experience have proven that a understeering car is easier to control than a tail happy oversteering car, for the majority of consumers.
So get a better suspension setup and that will help out tremendously.
What pressure do you run? btw thanks that helps greatly. how big of a rear bar would you recommend. 22mm ?
What pressure do you run? btw thanks that helps greatly. how big of a rear bar would you recommend. 22mm ?
It greatly depends on the tire. I'm running something like 40F / 30R. For autoX I'm sure I'll find some better numbers. Of course you probably won't want to run your autoX tire pressures for daily driving.
I'd recommend the progress rear swaybar with some upgraded endlinks. Search for "progress endlink(s)" for more info about that. That bar is 27mm.
you should be cornering better than an eclipse.......you have superior stock for stock suspension, maybe you aren't taking the right line or lifting off
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Actually, you'd want more tire pressure in the rear. I usually run my tires at 40F/R, and when I autoX, I'll bump my street tires up to 40F/44R.
When you upgrade the rear sway, most of them go up to 25mm. Some negative camber on the front wheels wouldn't hurt...and a good alignment wouldn't be a bad idea, either.
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1991 CRX SiR
1991 Civic Wagon RT4WD
On the street I have been running 38/32 and on track I think I ran 36 all around. Right now my alignment is just dead on all around. I'm planning on dropping in Illumina's and Groundcontrols or Arospeeds and then lowering the car about 2 inches. I'll probably be getting a camber kit so I can do the fiddling then.
I drive my Prelude daily with -2.5F/-2R camber. Haven't had any unusual wear, actually, my tires finally wear evenly instead of wearing the outside out first.
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Chris @ DeatschWerks (Fuel Nerd)
1991 CRX SiR
1991 Civic Wagon RT4WD
I drive my Prelude daily with -2.5F/-2R camber. Haven't had any unusual wear, actually, my tires finally wear evenly instead of wearing the outside out first.
What are you running for suspension/wheel/tire? I'd like to be able to daily drive and track drive without changing too much around.
considaring he avoided the question earlier i'll assume he's on the street. But, back to understeeer,for auto-x I ran 38f/44r on Ventus RS-2's, with koni/gc 450/450, i still have some understeer and plan on gettin the progress bar in the future.
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Ignoring pauls suspension advice for a few minutes, the best thing you can do to avoid understeer is change your driving style to suit the car and THE TRACK, you are driving on.
Instead of throwing money at the car, throw it at the key problem: THE DRIVER.
where have I said anything about street racing? also why the hell would I want to starting talking about correcting oversteer if I was a street racer? I think it'd be silly to street race on twisty / curved roads. City streets aren't built or maintained to be anything like a track and I would probably fly off the road if I entered a turn at 100+ mph
where have I said anything about street racing? also why the hell would I want to starting talking about correcting oversteer if I was a street racer? I think it'd be silly to street race on twisty / curved roads. City streets aren't built or maintained to be anything like a track and I would probably fly off the road if I entered a turn at 100+ mph
I guess that's because you were twice asked on which track you'd be driving 100 mph into a corner, without posting any response. Simple as that.
I guess corner is the wrong word because it's not even that tight of a situation where I am experiencing it.
Yet you continue to sidestep the question. If it's at a track it usually isn't attributed to conditions, if it's the streets, as it does appear, we'll all just track it up to inadequate road conditions.
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