brake fluid question on streets of willow track - Honda Prelude Forum

dchung1 · 11-06-2003, 12:08 PM

Anyone have any input if stock or valvoline brake fluid sufficient enough for streets of willow???? anyone have any problems ???

Mugenlude · 11-06-2003, 12:17 PM

I would suggest a performance break fluid with a higher boiling point such as Motel 600 or ATE SuperBlue.

The carry both at http://cobaltfriction.com/prodcat-brakefluids.htm

dchung1 · 11-06-2003, 12:44 PM

The reason i ask is because im hearing different things for this particular track.. I know a couple of preludes have gone last month. So I want to hear from those of you who went upgrade for this track or not

thanks

Mugenlude · 11-06-2003, 04:19 PM

I don't understand why you would chance it. Just because someone says they didn't have brake fade, doesn't mean you won't. I would/do equipe my car with the better fluid regardless, same with brake pads....

NammyBoy · 11-06-2003, 05:27 PM

Yeah, go with Motul RBF 600 or ATE Super. You don't want to ruin your $120 day by having to worry about whether or not you'll be able to stop in time for the next corner.

~Nam

dchung1 · 11-10-2003, 12:12 PM

yeah i just changed fluid to motul 600

im not going to mess around.. my friend's brake faded with the ate blue.. at streets of willow

TimeRacer · 11-10-2003, 02:06 PM

Here's an comparison between the major brake fluids.

http://www57.pair.com/lane/bfluid.htm

I think the first time out I'll be using the Ford heavy duty and bring my brake bleeder with me. Since everything above that starts becoming butt expensive.

Since $24+ for a brake fluid change seems a lil steep to me.

po0p · 11-11-2003, 03:22 PM

I got my stock pads to smoke at streets, and my stock fluid boiled. I changed it out for some castrol fluid afterwards from pepboys with help of buck and his friend. Still trying to decide what pads to try. I also chunked up my gen 1 re730s really badly.... ugh....

dchung1 · 11-11-2003, 04:29 PM

hawk plus are good and axxis ultimates are ok
hawk plus squeak and dust a lot though

monk3y · 11-11-2003, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by po0p
I got my stock pads to smoke at streets, and my stock fluid boiled. I changed it out for some castrol fluid afterwards from pepboys with help of buck and his friend. Still trying to decide what pads to try. I also chunked up my gen 1 re730s really badly.... ugh....

i really must not have been driving hard enough because my azenis look ok and i still have assloads of brake pad. not sure what's up with the brake fluid, but i'll tell you when i change it.

po0p · 01-02-2005, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by po0p

I got my stock pads to smoke at streets, and my stock fluid boiled. I changed it out for some castrol fluid afterwards from pepboys with help of buck and his friend. Still trying to decide what pads to try. I also chunked up my gen 1 re730s really badly.... ugh....

did a search and found this one year old post... I should add that castrol LMA is no good. Super blue lasted longer, but still boiled. Going to try rbf 600 next. A friend told me that it would eat away at my seals though... Is this true? What about ABS, should I disable it to prevent it from getting into the system?

DR · 01-02-2005, 03:29 PM

I was also told RBF600 would eat seals. I've been using it for 5 years now with no problems so I think that is a myth.

LowFlyin' · 01-02-2005, 05:42 PM

I use Valvoline SynPower brake fluid, and have had no problems with it. ...and David can tell you, Hallett is very hard on brake systems.

I'm sorry, but the Hawk HP+ are not stout enough for track days. Not with our heavy cars, anyway.

I run Cobalt Frictions VRs on the track, and with 30 minute session at Hallett...never felt any kind of brake fade. I would image the Hawk Blues would yeild you with the same results...but I've had a bad experience with Hawk products and their service department.

71dsp · 01-02-2005, 07:01 PM

Never had a problem with Hawk products. I used HPS and HP+ pads on the Miata, and I even ran the HP+ pads at Hallett with no problems (street tires, and a light car, though). I have, however, had problems with Valvoline Synthetic brake fluid. I use it in the street cars, but not in anything that will see track duty. I used Motul RBF600 with very good results.

alvanderp · 01-02-2005, 07:35 PM

I used the Vavoline Synpower at last years NPM, and did boil the fluid at the very end of my last session, I cant say how brake intensive BeaveRun is vs Willow, but i would have to assume willow is more intensive than BeaveRun, cause it was a pretty mild track. I would definetely not suggest the Valvoline for a track like Hallett. I use Hawk HP+ on the rear of my car and have had no issues with them, although I have 4-pots with competition Carbon Ceramics up front, so that takes the most of the beating.

LowFlyin' · 01-02-2005, 08:10 PM

I had 3 sets of the Hawk HP+s on my Prelude. The first 2 sets lasted me a season a piece of autoX and a few track days during those seasons. My last set only lasted me 2 months as I was going to the track at least once a month. I tried to get those replaced by Hawk...but they wouldn't.

The HP+s were awesome for autoX, but couldn't handle the heat at Hallett. I thought it was the fluid, but once I changed to the Cobalt Friction spec-VR I had no more fading problems and finally got a firm brake pedal. So, I now run the VRs at track days and the CF GTS (like the HP+) on the street and autoX.

alvanderp · 01-02-2005, 08:22 PM

Chris - from what I have been told and have seen, Hallet is about as brake intensive as a road course gets

I would dare to bet the average "DE'r" could get away with the HP+ just fine, as long as they dont call Hallet their home track

I guess my point is Hawk Blue's and Spec-VR's require a separate set of rotors and pads for track vs street, because of how harsh they are on a set of rotors plus how much heat you have to build in them to bite properly. And while myself and a few others dont have a problem doing this, for those that DE 2-3 times a year or dont have the funding to have 2 sets of rotors and pads, the HP+ is a good pad. I guess what I am saying is you dont need to write off the HP+ in this situation. In a full on race setup, or for an advanced driver that really works the brakes, maybe so.

LowFlyin' · 01-02-2005, 08:42 PM

Well...now that you say that, I remember the first time I had the HP+s on the car at Hallett...I was very impressed with them.

alvanderp · 01-02-2005, 10:10 PM

Also remember that you run DOT-R's now, which work the brakes alot harder than street tires