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Old 06-04-2007, 01:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So my weekend went like this…

Saturday – I went to Chris’ to pick up my R-compounds and decided to change my rear rotors since I got new pads (PBR Axixs Ultimate). After changing the rear rotors (with the help of Chris), I figured I might as well lower the rear to increase the camber by a couple degrees. I used my plastic mallet and long 3/8 extension to break the torque on the locking collar on my Teins and <POP!>, I ended up breaking collar making a ‘C’ instead. Argh! I quickly call Clark to borrow his rear suspension since he sold the Prelude and swapped struts/springs.

Sunday – This would be the first time the Prelude has been back on track since the timing belt skipped 9-10 months in August 06 at GIR. I promised myself I would ‘take it easy’ and drive at a maximum of 70%. I set the air pressures on the RA1s to 27 front and 29 rear while setting the suspension to 10 clicks front, 14 rear (16 way adjustable). My first session was ‘ok’, but I was still worried about something mechanically happening to the car, so I still restrained myself the entire time. I felt like I had a moment on the oval where the rear end stepped out a bit. When I got back to the pits, the tires were 34 psi across the board but I didn’t push it at all. I bumped down the PSI by on pound in the front and head out for a second session… this time with my student. Braking into turn 2, the rear end felt ‘floaty’ and wanted to step out (kind of what I experienced in Billy’s race car). I noticed it even more on my third session with no passenger while braking before turn 5, especially if I wasn’t braking 100% straight. I took out 2 clicks on the rear dampers and the car felt more stable on the next session but I had a passenger which probably added 150 lbs.

The rebuilt head + Mugen exhaust felt pretty good with plenty of power coming out of turn 2 and 6. I was surprised that I didn’t hear much back firing like I have in the past… but the Mugen exhaust left a permanent mark on my rear OEM lip, melting a nice ¼ ‘C’ since it was touching against it.  The car + tires felt better when it was a little cooler with the track under the clouds. I know I was getting faster on the front straightaway since I would keep hitting the rev limiter before braking before turn 1.

Overall, I had mixed emotions about the whole day… I was really laid back the entire day, I didn’t mind missing a session if needed or packing up and leaving early (since my student’s car sprung a coolant leak). I even fell asleep for a bit in the paddock while waiting to go back on track after lunch! :P Now this weekend, I’m on track for THREE days so I’ll really have to pace myself and conserve car.

Couple of ending notes:

- This was the second SCCA PDX day at GIR and it was much more organized than last year. It wasn’t perfect but it was definitely better.
- I was surprised to see that they allowed lap timers. I was kicking myself for not having my set up in my car. Grrrrr….
- There were plenty of cars having off track incidents and BIG accident with an instructor hitting the wall before turn 1. He’s fine but his car is pretty much done.
- My Teins are due for complete overall with the amount of rust they have. I called Tein USA during lunch and I’m going have them rebuilt, shorten the piston stroke, revalved for higher spring rates and get new springs (16KG front/20KG rear). They’ll grind down the rust and repaint the struts (thank god). Turn around time is 7-10 days… not bad.

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Old 06-04-2007, 02:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Not bad. Are you going to make it to the SCPM at Hallett?

BTW, don't shorten the stroke on the shocks too much. I made this mistake with the 2812s, and I had to send them back to have the shocks rebuilt with a little more droop (at considerable expense, I may add!).
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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How much is too much? What is SCPM and when is Hallett? I need to redeem myself for not making it out to Texas last year and coming out to a track event with you this year.

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SCPM = South Central Prelude Meet. It's in early Sept. Look in the NTPOG forum.

Well, if you use extremely high rates, plan to use some helper springs. I'm using helper springs front and rear right now just to get enough droop. David runs softer rates, so he doesn't use helpers. He's thinking about going stiffer, and I think he'll need to run helpers when he lowers the car using higher spring rates.

A couple of things to consider is that you want the shock rod to be as long as possible to minimize stiction. I think the best way to go about it is to figure out how short the shock needs to be and go from there. It's tricky. I've accidentally made them to long, then made them too short, etc.
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Keith, do you know anyone that needs some 15x7 Kosei K1s? I was thinking you or Mark might be interested. I'd give you guys a good deal. I have 3 sets, 15x7, +38mm, white, all brand new!
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Hmmmm... my September is pretty much open right now and Hallett is only 6 hours away. If I can buy back my steering rack and you can convert it and bring it to Hallett, I'll come.

I'm already using helper springs and I plan to use them with the increased spring rates. As for the shock rod, I'll have to speak to the Tein engineer to get his input + recommendations.

Yeah, I told Mark about the wheels... I wouldn't mind having an extra set either but I think the price you were asking (which I'm sure is reasonable) is more than I can currently spend with the planned suspension rebuild. If the price has changed, shoot it over to me so I can pass it along to Mark. Did you sell your used set?

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I have one good wheel from the used set left.

I can convert the rack to manual, for a small fee, plus you pay for parts.

I can come down on the wheel price some.
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The one wheel wouldn't work well for me as a spare since it is +38 offset and my set (that I bought from you) is +45. Maybe Mark would be interested in a spare though (if the price is right). Shoot me that PM with the price of the wheel, wheels, and labor + parts for the manual rack. If we agree on the price of the rack, I'll sign up for Hallet and if possible pay now so I'm committed to come. Sounds fair?

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