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Old 01-08-2004, 03:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Yet another foglight question

ok, i have two questions, hope someone can help me

1. can the indicator light of the fog switch be replaced by a LED?
i broke the little bulb off when i was messing with it.

2. where or how can i get a foglight relay?? I tried hondaautomotiveparts.com and i can't find the part number or description, so i don't know what i'm buying. I also tried hparts.com and it's also a hassle, i had emailed them previously about an inquiry and got no response.


as always, thanks in advance
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I can answer number 2...Junkyard...That's where I found one.
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If ur willing to pay retail for a relay, u can always go down to your local Honda parts dept and pick one up...
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Q2: I think that the relay from a civic works but I'm not sure where..

Q1: As for the Led part im pretty sure you can but they are positive/negative sensitive so you'd have to figure which part is neg. and pos. to put it on correctly ..

I soldered leds into my climate control a while back instead of buying replacment bulbs .. I dont know what the switch looks like so could be talkin outta my as$
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I'm sure this is address in some thread, but when you use a honda relay and the oem wiring harness to wire the fogs up, how do they work? Meaning, can you manually conrol the fogs through all headlight settings (parking lights, headlights, high beams), or are they overridden at one setting or another? Thanks.
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I'm sure this is address in some thread, but when you use a honda relay and the oem wiring harness to wire the fogs up, how do they work? Meaning, can you manually conrol the fogs through all headlight settings (parking lights, headlights, high beams), or are they overridden at one setting or another? Thanks.
the can only be lit up with the headlights on (low beams)....i do wonder if there's a way to override all this and be able to turn them on/off whenever i please, whether the headlights be on or not.
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yeah I figured it would be that way, my brother's Spec V had the same problem, but someone posted a walkthrough on the V Board about getting into the under-hood fuse box and bypassing a relay switch, we did it, and now he can turn his fogs on when only his corner lamps are lit. I think I'll just use the wiring the previous owner did when he installed fogs, he even put a generic switch in the center console for it.
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the can only be lit up with the headlights on (low beams)....i do wonder if there's a way to override all this and be able to turn them on/off whenever i please, whether the headlights be on or not.
Yes; there should be one wire on your switch that goes hot when the low-beams are on, but shuts off whenever you hit high beams or use only the parking lights. Instead of using that wire, get one from the fusebox that goes high whenever you turn anything.
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how easy is it to do that using the oem relay and switch, as opposed to wiring it up yourself?
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Yes; there should be one wire on your switch that goes hot when the low-beams are on, but shuts off whenever you hit high beams or use only the parking lights. Instead of using that wire, get one from the fusebox that goes high whenever you turn anything.
hmmmmm....so if i hook up a constant 12v to the switch instead of that wire and i connect the relay the way it's supposed to i would be able to control the fogs at will???
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yes you can use an LED instead and its a very simple task if you're at all electrically inclined.... all you need is a soldering gun, LED, and possibly a resistor (depending on the voltage to the circuit).

I've redone my climate control, keyring, and assorted other buttons with LEDs.

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munsch, did you also do the blue acetate speedo thing too?
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^same question and how much time did that all take?
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yes you can use an LED instead and its a very simple task if you're at all electrically inclined.... all you need is a soldering gun, LED, and possibly a resistor (depending on the voltage to the circuit).

I've redone my climate control, keyring, and assorted other buttons with LEDs.

Very nice.....i still have a lot to learn...what's the proper voltage for a single LED? I guess i need to get one of those voltage testing devices
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yes i used the blue acetate film for the speedo/tach and gas/temp/clock... all of that was really easy...

the climate control was more difficult and requires you to take the whole unit out of the car and pick it apart to get to the circuit board. From there its all just desoldering and soldering work.

I had the climate control removed for about a week i guess, but it just depends how much time you have to work on it at any given time.

As for the LED's, they all have different properties so pay attention to the data sheet that they come with. They vary in voltages and of course some of the circuits in the car are different, so some LEDs require resistors of certain resistance and others didnt need resistors at all.

pIOUS, i believe it was, had a write up on how to do it to a 5th gen... you should be able to follow that, its essentially the same for the most part.

EDIT: and YES, a multimeter is essential!
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just an update...i installed the fogs this weekend. they do work great!! The indicator light bulb causes the relay to buzz, so i removed it for now (since it's not the original bulb that's supposed to go there anyway)

There are a total of 5 wires going into the relay. I cut the two red/yel wires that connect together into a SINGLE pin in the relay, and plugged in a constant 12v in there instead.

I also grounded the orange wire that goes into the switch, so it's ALWAYS grounded, not only when the brights are NOT on.

It's VERY important to connect together and THEN cap off those two wires that were cut from the relay, otherwise the headlights will not work properly..

The result?
I can control the fogs at will, even when the brights are on or the car turned off. The only thing i wish i could do now is figure out how to wire the foglights to the chime, in case i forget to turn them off after i park

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yes i used the blue acetate film for the speedo/tach and gas/temp/clock... all of that was really easy...
While you had that apart, did you happen to notice if the stuff that makes the speedo and tach glow light blue/green is a film on the back of the guage plate, or color-coated lights?

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... the climate control was more difficult and requires you to take the whole unit out of the car and pick it apart to get to the circuit board. From there its all just desoldering and soldering work ...
wouldn't it also have been possible to just coat the inside of each button with acetate? I realize that even if this is possible, LEDs probably look better, but we're not all so talented in the ways of electricity, so if an easier way existed, I might just do it.
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the speedo and tach shine through the gauge faces that you see as black and white from the front during the day... the back of it actually has some translucent material on it to show up greenish-blue, the light itself is white though back there.

acetate is prolly not the best idea for the buttons... it would be an absolute pain in the ass to get a piece of acetate in there properly... LEDs in buttons arent really that hard... all you need to do is solder in an LED and a resistor in series... simple as that. (some might not have even needed a resistor, i cant remember)
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