This seems to be a common problem after awhile on 4th Gen ludes....sometimes it embaressing to, like when it happens downtown

But I do hear it somewhat turn over, just not fully
At one point it was happening everyday and eventually I had some sort of electrical short which cost $$$ to fix
The problem lies in the PGM (correct me if I'm wrong someone)
anyways..it still happens to me..but maybe once every 2 weeks or something
There was a thread on this not to long ago..