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Old 11-05-2001, 11:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ticking 4th gens, revisited...

has anyone had any luck? mine is still ticking and its very unnerving.

are those plagued with this just 2.3 or is 2.2 also doing it? i have jdm 2.2 but i was thinking maybe my 2.3 dist is at fault. i've yet to put in a 2.2 due to low flow of monies.

my 2.3 ticked, and now my 2.2 ticks. valve adjustments were within spec and i had checked them over and over to be sure. painstaking process but i wanted to be absolutely sure i can rule out valve lash.

i wanted to blame the lost motion assemblies but if my 2.3 was doing the same thing, how could it be? so i ruled those out too.

what else? guides, seals, springs??

the ticking is very intermittant. very annoying. and scares me.

someone PLEASE have some info on this. even if i can't fix it without completely dissassembling the head i'd love to know what it is.

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i've accepted the fact that it's always gonna tap...oh well. !imagepree
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ok...so far counting:

si: 1
vtec: 1

any more? wanna know if other vtecs are doing this. if not i gotta get my hands on a 2.2 dist to see if thats the prob.

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Vern,

I think ticking is just a common occurance in Preludes. My 94 VTEC ticks and so did my 93 Si that I had previously. It annoyed me when my brother would start his 93 Del Sol and you could barely tell it was even running. It's just something that we have to live with.

Someone told me that the ticking is actually the injectors firing - I'm not sure how true this is though.

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This is a very commone occurence. And it is no problem what so ever. All the Preludes that I have owned have all ticked. They were all Vtecs as well. All preludes that I have ever worked on have ticked as well. The valve clearnace in a Prelude is very loose. The noise you hear is just the Valves ticking. This is caused by the loose tolerances that honda has set into the engine. The only time that my ticking actually died down a little was when I installed my first set of Web cams. They had a little tighter tolerance on the Valve adjustment, and the ticking actually subsided. Most people complain that after they get a Valve adjustment that it actually ticks louder. This is always going to happen especially if they were out to begin with. This is a noise that you are going to have to live with. I personally don't think that it is that bad.
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I got it but my intake and exhaust sounds overpower it
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Vern,

I think ticking is just a common occurance in Preludes. My 94 VTEC ticks and so did my 93 Si that I had previously. It annoyed me when my brother would start his 93 Del Sol and you could barely tell it was even running. It's just something that we have to live with.

Someone told me that the ticking is actually the injectors firing - I'm not sure how true this is though.

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the injector ticking is valid, but only to a point. my ticking is very disassociated from the injectors. honda injectors are in fact notorious for their ticking, but this is something else all together.

ok, so did your vtec tick from the beginning? or did it slowly appear and get louder?
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This is a very commone occurence. And it is no problem what so ever. All the Preludes that I have owned have all ticked. They were all Vtecs as well. All preludes that I have ever worked on have ticked as well. The valve clearnace in a Prelude is very loose. The noise you hear is just the Valves ticking. This is caused by the loose tolerances that honda has set into the engine. The only time that my ticking actually died down a little was when I installed my first set of Web cams. They had a little tighter tolerance on the Valve adjustment, and the ticking actually subsided. Most people complain that after they get a Valve adjustment that it actually ticks louder. This is always going to happen especially if they were out to begin with. This is a noise that you are going to have to live with. I personally don't think that it is that bad.
how come you have 5 stars and 800 postS????

anywho, i have another question now.

can i play around with the tolerances then? i've worked on a couple vtecs and si's. all the si's ticked. one si 4ws identical to mine i did a valve adjustment to spec, i then took her out and warmed her up. she did not tick.

if my valves were tapping even after adjustment, would they not be in a consistent ticking pattern? mine is VERY inconsistent. i'll try to get a .wav sample when i check on my car later this week.

also how many miles do you all have on your ticking preludes? mike renz with 95 60-70k vtec has no ticking.

my 2.3 i got at 107k and was ticking.

my 2.2 jdm with 40k +/- is ticking.
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Mine ticks at idle...2.3 with 79k miles, it doesnt bother me, i think its normal, if i recall my old accord with the f22 did something similiar
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I have a 95si h23a, it ticks like hell.
I've been told it is quite normal. Just stay on top of maintaining the valve clearance.
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mine ticks...and i got my valves adj. and still
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I have a 95si h23a, it ticks like hell.
I've been told it is quite normal. Just stay on top of maintaining the valve clearance.
yo you from north east philly or north east of state?

and who told you that?

dr james you worked at honda dealer, no? and they had no other explanation for the ticking other than what you have mentioned?
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the injector ticking is valid, but only to a point. my ticking is very disassociated from the injectors. honda injectors are in fact notorious for their ticking, but this is something else all together.

ok, so did your vtec tick from the beginning? or did it slowly appear and get louder?
bought 93 Si with 39,000 miles - had the ticking
bought 94 VTEC with 66,000 miles - had the ticking

I don't think it is anything to freak out about it. If Dr. James agrees that it is normal then it probably is. He and Billy are two of the most knowledgeable people when it comes to preludes and engines - that is the reason why he has so many stars.

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im just wondering why some motors will not tick, while others will tick uncontrollably?
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actually, after just doing a valve adjustment a couple weeks ago, it sounded louder at idle, but once I go out and get it warmed up and the oil flowing, it quiets down considerably. I also noticed, if I romp on it when it's warm, the tapping pretty much dissapears. I think it sounds louder at idle now because I switched over to 5W30 for the winter time, as opposed to my 10W30 I use in the summer. I'd assume the slightly thicker oil would quiet the valve tapping down a bit.
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actually, after just doing a valve adjustment a couple weeks ago, it sounded louder at idle, but once I go out and get it warmed up and the oil flowing, it quiets down considerably. I also noticed, if I romp on it when it's warm, the tapping pretty much dissapears. I think it sounds louder at idle now because I switched over to 5W30 for the winter time, as opposed to my 10W30 I use in the summer. I'd assume the slightly thicker oil would quiet the valve tapping down a bit.
im not one to encourage switching oils. but then again it doesn't get that cold over here in philly.
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im not one to encourage switching oils. but then again it doesn't get that cold over here in philly.
gets below freezing here in the winter, snows usually at least once a year, and in the summer, it gets well over 100, usually at least 110s for a few weeks...
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its just me but i dont really associate california with snow and sub freezing temps. but then i haven't lived in la for years and years. sucks for you

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I have a tapping sound....

My mechanic told me it had to do with the VTEC mechanism and there was nothing I could do about it.
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