stiffening steering feel... - Honda Prelude Forum

Jordan_4WS · 05-15-2002, 05:28 PM

I have a 92 si 4WS, I was wondering if tehre is anyway to stiffen the steering/feel of the car? I already have a front strut bar, and will soon be upgrading the sway bars. Is there anything else I can do? I dont want to remove powersteering or anything, cuase that will just hurt my handling.

Thanks, Jordan

4bidden · 05-15-2002, 05:30 PM

take off your power steering...that should do it

Jordan_4WS · 05-15-2002, 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by 4bidden
take off your power steering...that should do it

That doesnt improve handling though, just hurts it... I drove my dad's SL500 and now I just want a nice tight suspension/steering feel like that...

Anything i can do?

-Jordan

G_Loc · 05-15-2002, 05:45 PM

there's a bolt on the rack or somewhere there that u can tighten or loosen to make ur steering stiffer or softer

Jordan_4WS · 05-15-2002, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by G_Loc
there's a bolt on the rack or somewhere there that u can tighten or loosen to make ur steering stiffer or softer

I remember hearing about that a while back, but I never found out how to do it. Do you knwo where it is in the service manual? Also is there an issue of overtighning and messing something up?

-jordan

thatchmaster · 05-15-2002, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Jordan_4WS

I remember hearing about that a while back, but I never found out how to do it. Do you knwo where it is in the service manual? Also is there an issue of overtighning and messing something up?

-jordan

You can adjust the preload (could be backlash) on the back of the rack. It's in the helms.

-Erik

G_Loc · 05-15-2002, 07:21 PM

Pg 17-75 in the Helm's. "Rack Guide Adjustment," thats where someoen else said to adjust that.

SiR-P12eLude · 05-15-2002, 07:27 PM

are you crazy man

The fourth gen prelude is perfect not to stiff and not to loose...

Jordan_4WS · 05-16-2002, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by G_Loc
Pg 17-75 in the Helm's. "Rack Guide Adjustment," thats where someoen else said to adjust that.

Would you be so kind as to make a scan?

-jordan

PreludeNYC · 05-16-2002, 09:15 AM

...ummm removing the power steering isn't going to make handling worse, in fact my car handles better, i have a better feel of the road. who told you removing the power steering makes handling worse?

Jose

Jordan_4WS · 05-16-2002, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by PreludeNYC
...ummm removing the power steering isn't going to make handling worse, in fact my car handles better, i have a better feel of the road. who told you removing the power steering makes handling worse?

Jose

I used the wrong word choice. Not worse, it just makes it way to hard to turn in a situation where you need to immediately steer or what not, it is harder to react quickly...

Plus if you've driven a Porsche, SL500 or some other German (probably others toos) sports car... It is not the kind of feel you get when you remove power steering... I cant really explan it.

-jordan

PreludeNYC · 05-16-2002, 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by Jordan_4WS

I used the wrong word choice. Not worse, it just makes it way to hard to turn in a situation where you need to immediately steer or what not, it is harder to react quickly...

oo ok i gotcha now... hehe belive me, when or if the time ever came and you needed to react quickly to turn the wheel, w/o power steering, its like you turn into the HULK and the steering wheel is as light as a feather, trust me.... I've been in a lot of close calls...

Jose

ghettoride · 05-16-2002, 07:08 PM

if u remove ur power steering and a\c u will feel a BIG diffrence in hp

dudewithlude · 05-17-2002, 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by Jordan_4WS

That doesnt improve handling though, just hurts it... I drove my dad's SL500 and now I just want a nice tight suspension/steering feel like that...

Anything i can do?

-Jordan

The Mercedes has a separate steering shock just for steering. That is why it has the feel it has. I do not think the Hondas have anything like that but, make it too stiff on any car and you'll definitely be sore for everyday use. My friend had this problem on his MR2. Look into a smaller steering wheel just, a thought.

Jordan_4WS · 05-17-2002, 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by dudewithlude

The Mercedes has a separate steering shock just for steering. That is why it has the feel it has. I do not think the Hondas have anything like that but, make it too stiff on any car and you'll definitely be sore for everyday use. My friend had this problem on his MR2. Look into a smaller steering wheel just, a thought.

Problem with the wheel is that i want to keep my airbag. As for the feel, I dont want it too stiff, I just want it refound. Feel would be nice as a cross between stock and stock with no p/s.

-Jordan

red92si · 05-17-2002, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by ghettoride
if u remove ur power steering and a\c u will feel a BIG diffrence in hp

The AC only takes away power when it is operating. This is due to the fact that there is a clutch inside the AC compressor so that when it is not on the pulley spins with no resistance. So you will feel the same amount of power with the AC taken out of the car, as you would if you just turn the AC off from inside the car. The only thing it could benefit is the weight you would remove by taking all the AC equipment out of the car.

NirVTEC · 05-17-2002, 01:55 PM

I love the feel of no power steering at the track...Very precise, and I don't over-turn the wheel...I love it!!!

shuric · 05-17-2002, 02:18 PM

i removed the belt that drives power steering pump because it broke and i tried to drive without p/s and i must tell you guys that driving without p/s is hell. You can get so buff by driving without ps that the added muscle weight would negate all hp gains added by removing the ps!

LudemanDan · 05-17-2002, 02:47 PM

I feel the same way as you, Jordan. Same sterring wheel/ airbag dilemma. If I had a 3rd gen, it would be on!
The problem with removing the p/s altogether is that it helps you keep your line when going over rough terrain, especially in a corner. The road doesn't have so much influence over the steering wheel. That's a good thing.

However, the soft steering is pretty fvk'n annoying sometimes. I'd like to try changing the size of the power steering pump pulley. Just to spin the pump slower, give you less assist, and as a side effect, free up some power! Will an underdrive pulley do that? I could make my own.

Dan

Jordan_4WS · 05-17-2002, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by LudemanDan
I feel the same way as you, Jordan. Same sterring wheel/ airbag dilemma. If I had a 3rd gen, it would be on!
The problem with removing the p/s altogether is that it helps you keep your line when going over rough terrain, especially in a corner. The road doesn't have so much influence over the steering wheel. That's a good thing.
However, the soft steering is pretty fvk'n annoying sometimes. I'd like to try changing the size of the power steering pump pulley. Just to spin the pump slower, give you less assist, and as a side effect, free up some power! Will an underdrive pulley do that? I could make my own.

Dan

I got an aem underdrive polley. affected power, didnt touch sttering feel.

Im think either a way to remotely disable p/s to turb it on and off (probably unrealistc). YOur idea might be good though, do you have AIM? If so hit me up at jdmenterprises, or email me at jordan_mendler@yahoo.com. I'd greatly like to discuss this...

-JOrdan