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Old 02-17-2004, 09:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Possible Clutch Failure

For the past 2 weeks i've been having a problem with getting my car into gear, mainly in the AM. The only way I can get her going is to put it in gear while its off..and I have to use 2nd b/c when first is used it grinds ALOT.

anyone have this happen to them?
what could it be? clutch? syncros?...not the tranny...please not the tranny.

this is something that needs to be taken care of asap.

...btw if it IS the clutch...whats a good price on an aftermarket one, im looking at ACT right now. suggestions are welcome

thanks alot to whomever responds!!!
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make sure to bleed ur clutch, and make sure u got clutch fluid too, when it 1st started to get cold here, thats what happened to me. I just bled the clutch and filled the clutch fluid up, now it works fine. Might wanna check that b4 u go and get a whole new clutch
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I don't know exactly what the problem is, but it sounds as if you are struggling to get the car into first in the morning (when the engine is cold?) and then if/when you do it grinds into gear rather than sliding in smoothly?

The only reason I ask, is I started having trouble with my 1rst gear right before my slave cylinder let go.

If it were the clutch, you'd get it in gear and depress the accelerator, and the RPMs would come up, but not really your speed. I don't know and the synrcos/tranny as a whole
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is your clutch pedal farther down than normal?? is there less pressure in it? if so its probably the master or slave cylinder leaking and needs to be replaced. If you look under your steering wheel at the firewall you may see some fluid where the pedal goes through the wall - if so, that is your master leaking.
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Old 02-17-2004, 10:06 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Do the basic stuff first, like replace the slave and master cylinders. If you're still having problems, the clutch itself might be broken. A spring retainer on mine broke one day and shifting was damn near impossible... Sometimes it would work fine, other times it wouldn't go into any gear, which is pretty scary when you're going down a main road at like 40mph.
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i had my factory clutch break a few parts off of it, the clutch still engaged fine but it wouldn't go in gear very well. other than that i would say clutch master cylinder or slave cylinder, i have also had to change those. the pedal felt like crap though.
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Old 02-17-2004, 11:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I was having the same problem when i had NO clutch fluid under the hood. I didnt realize it, and panic'd like you. Does it feel like ur grip point in ur clutch is litteraly at the floor? Thats how it felt for me
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Im gonna get it checked out thursday or friday

preludatic- it feels like my clutch point is nonexistant...its solid all the way up and down the path.

yield - the clutch feels just like normal, same height and same pressure when is depressed

mtbprelude- nothing grinds like a semi-missed gear. but when i started it in first it made a horrid sound, different from the grinding of gears though.

thanks alot everyone that has responded so far, im really in a jam here. does anyone have a guessatmate on a price for these things mentioned so far, i have VERY limited funds and have to make a lengthy trip next week!!!!


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I thought we've already established that this problem (especially in the cold) is generic with preludes? It's normal. My car does the same thing. Sometimes it's hard to get into first, but you just have to line up the synchros by maybe shifting into 2nd, then back into 1st. Considering you say that the clutch point is the same, pressures the same, and assuming your clutch fluid level is fine, I'd almost have to say that everything is okay, it's just the cold weather is making your fluid a little more solid, making it harder to get into 1st. Do you have problems shifting into any other gear besides 1st? Any other grinding or anything? Sometimes I slip up and try to shift into 1st still rolling a little and it'll grind.
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id have to agree with preyluder. my car is the same way as his. if you want one more thing to check, try checking your trans. fluid level, you might want to go ahead and change it. be sure and use 10w 30 or 10w 40. i guess it wouldn't hurt to go lighter than that.
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well i can't get it into ANY gear when that happens, and eventhough i know i shouldn't'; i pushed HARD on it, and didnt get into any gears

im getting it checked out tomorrow so ill post with what they say.
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I never had a problem with gear noise - until my clutch failed.

At about 135k miles, the car became more difficult to shift easily. I replaced the tranny oil and the clutch fluid. no help.

What had happened - the little springs on the friction disc had fallen out of the disc. They were rubbing the flywheel (ended up griding a slot into the face of the original flyhwheel...).

Hence, the clutch was not fully disengaged.
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I never had a problem with gear noise - until my clutch failed.

At about 135k miles, the car became more difficult to shift easily. I replaced the tranny oil and the clutch fluid. no help.

What had happened - the little springs on the friction disc had fallen out of the disc. They were rubbing the flywheel (ended up griding a slot into the face of the original flyhwheel...).

Hence, the clutch was not fully disengaged.
There seems to be a bunch of us that have had this problem
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Have you changed your tranny fluid recently?
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nope its the master and slave cylinder

gonna do them this week

anyone done this before? pointers?????
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There seems to be a bunch of us that have had this problem
yeah count me in on that. i have had that problem too.
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yeah count me in on that. i have had that problem too.
what have you people that have had this problem done???

im gonna go buy parts tomorrow..so let me know if i should get the slave and master cylinder or not.

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what have you people that have had this problem done???

im gonna go buy parts tomorrow..so let me know if i should get the slave and master cylinder or not.

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I didnt do anything, except drive

Swap those two out, if you still have the problem, then its time to pull off the tranny and see whats going on
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what have you people that have had this problem done???

im gonna go buy parts tomorrow..so let me know if i should get the slave and master cylinder or not.

thanks
Uhh, no offense, but why don't you take it to a shop somewhere and show it to a DEPENDABLE mechanic who actually knows what he's doing. <no offense to you> That way you don't have to throw your money out on parts until you finally find out what it is. I'm not saying it's not the MC or the SC but, I dunno... just an idea.
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Yeah I gotcha man, I'm gonna end up having to have someone else do it b/c I have to leave soon and time is an issue. But it’s not that difficult of a job. If I had the time I’d be able to do it no sweat, I have a good working knowledge of my car.

Got a second opinion today and it turns out that my suspicions were wrong. I took a look at the slave cylinder in work and it was functioning just fine. Then I took a long ride home (420mi) and then into Boston where the clutch was TERRIBLE. So it’s at my hometown mechanics place now getting a new clutch installed.

Just wish I had extra money to upgrade the clutch.
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