Please check this out..debate on Slicks and time improvement
ok me and Jape were talking ect...he asked what i ran so i told him, then i told him what i couldrun with slicks..he doesnt think so....currently ive run 13.7 @ 102...also ran a 13.7 with a 2.2something 60...i told him with full slicks i could run 13.4 to 13.3....this is from what i know about drag racing first hand, as well as a friend whos brother ran the same thing in his accord..he was trapping about the same as me...and put on slicks and ran faster...let see what you guys think.
i dont see your car running 13.3's but i can see it running 13.5 or so. It just doesnt seem like thats possible, haha. then again your car is a beast so i dont know. your prelude confuses the hell out of me!
From this board it seems like a lot of people don't get much better times using slicks. You should be able to pull better 60ft's so you are moving faster of the line and if you can pull a 2.0 60 ft I think you can cut 3 tenths.
Originally posted by brendon2k You should be able to pull better 60ft's so you are moving faster of the line and if you can pull a 2.0 60 ft I think you can cut 3 tenths.
See this is where I disagreed. Here's why...
Its known that the deeper you go into the 13's the more horsepower you need. 50 hp might get you from 16.5 to 15.5 but that same 50hp from 13.7 wont get you 12.7...
So that being said, just because he put slicks on and somehow cuts his 60 ft from 2.2 to 1.9, that doesn't mean he's gonna cut 3 tenths in the 1/4....
that 3 tenths might up his trap speed 2 or 4 mph, but i would think that would be only good for 13.5 (as was said)
I am far from an expert on drag racing tho so I could be going off on a totally wrong tangent..
Its known that the deeper you go into the 13's the more horsepower you need. 50 hp might get you from 16.5 to 15.5 but that same 50hp from 13.7 wont get you 12.7...
So that being said, just because he put slicks on and somehow cuts his 60 ft from 2.2 to 1.9, that doesn't mean he's gonna cut 3 tenths in the 1/4....
that 3 tenths might up his trap speed 2 or 4 mph, but i would think that would be only good for 13.5 (as was said)
I am far from an expert on drag racing tho so I could be going off on a totally wrong tangent..
Here is why I disagree. Any more speed you can gain off the line you are carrying down the whole track. Usually .1 seconds off the 60ft yeilds .1-.2 off ET.
I think it is odd I can run 11.687 with slicks and hit high 12s on street tires. Of course.... RWD > FWD
Why does it make that big of a difference? Traction.
Do you think most of the times are hurt by the first 60ft? If there is that much wheel spin in the first 2-3 gears could it not be corrected by better driving?
It's not that there is any ability to drive the car better, you could drive it to the fullest, and only get a 2.1 60, strictly due to traction, but if you put slicks on there, and run a 1.9, it doesn't really mean you're driving better, the car just now has the ability to grip that much faster.
As for the topic on hand, I think that on 2 exact same runs (ie the car was driven exactly the same) but 1 had a 1.9 60, and the other had a 2.2 60, than the 1.9 60 would result in a -.3 sec time slip.
oh yeah one more thing there Jape...when you put on slicks, your MPH goes down, the mroe traction you get the slower your trap speeds are, but your times are better becasue your putting down 100percent of your power with no loss in traction, also figuring into this equation, my new radials, or slicks, will be smaller, giving me an effective shorter gear ratios..my current radials were 225/50/15...just got them used frmo a freind, oh well
Here is why I disagree. Any more speed you can gain off the line you are carrying down the whole track. Usually .1 seconds off the 60ft yeilds .1-.2 off ET.
The only other thing I didnt say was that even tho you get a great start, full of traction, a 1/4 mile is a long way. So a 1.9 sec 60 ft has given you the potential for a .3 second cut of your time, but you gotta have the horsepower to back it up....
So if a jdm h22 can do 1.9 60 ft and knock off 3 tenths with 200hp... then does that mean a big v8 with 320hp and some change would knock off .7 seconds or even a full second?
I dont think so?
The stangs on OT.net (from sigs I've read and such) knock off about .3-.4 seconds on slicks, .5 on a good day...
imo, if you can get traction on street tires then slicks won't help you much. they can actually hurt your times, if you have too much traction. then you need to relearn how to launch your car which usually means higher rpms launches and now your more at risk of breaking stuff.
if you have turbo or something and your car is fast than get slicks. i know someone with a turbo h22 civic that runs 11.8 on slicks but 12.3 on street tires.
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I think preluderacer023 should just go to the track with slicks on and that should bring this debate to a conclusion
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if i could afford slciks i would, but look, if im out of the hole at a 6500-7k drop, which slicks would allow, im gonna be that much faster out of the hole, and my car will still make the same power down the track, with your theory Jape your saying my car wont carry the SAME power down the track, the reason your trap speeds are lower with slicks is that you have traction, which means your car moves forward instantly, and stays, not losing traction, as opposed to drag radials, and street tires where you ge wheel spin, wheel spin and no traction is what results in faster traps, and trap speeds are indicative of what your car is capable of, and for your example Jape..this guy owns an Accord with a JDM H22, very similar mods to mine, he ran the same times as i did and traps wer very similar, when he went to slicks, he gained the time and ran 13.3, you also have to look at the lude..its a heavier car, so getting it off the line it what proves diffcult, if your launching at 6500-7k, that means im gonna come off the line putting nearly 200WHP stright down, and be in second right away...they day i ran those 13.7s, i had two runs that wouldve been 13.6s..by comparing the slips, i missed 4th on one run, and the other i missed third...hell when i get my new G-Force radials i expect improvment, my radials wre old, and i had to slip them off the line new stickier radials i expect to cut some 2.0s, and run a 13.5 to 13.6...i also ran that day, it was like 60 degrees during the day, so hopefully i can get to the track soon at night, its been getting near 90 here already..ill keep u up to date...and Jape a mustang is RWD, its much easier to put power down on a RWD car with the weight transfer, but on a FWD traction is much harder to come by..peace
You guys use the quick reply and it doesn't show up in my subscribed threads as new losers.
hahahhaa... thanks for telling me a mustang is RWD...
Ok, lets face it, there's too many what if's... I still think you're being way to optimistic.. Lets start with your 60 ft time.. You're expecting to get a FWD 200hp car to get a 1.9 second 60 ft.. AWD WRX's average about 1.8 (I asked in a WRX forum). Very optimistic if you ask me... I also am not that sure you can launch at 7k, but I couldn't validate this with any proof, so we'll just assume that at 7k RPM, you wont have any traction issues even with slicks....
Now slicks will only help you in 1st gear.. Unless your jdm h22 is a FREAK engine, you don't spin tires in 2nd gear.. so the wider slicks will slow you down. NOT MUCH, but just a tad bit.
ahhhh hell... It just aint adding up to me man, I dont see it happening. I'd LIKE to see you hit low 13's but I'd have to see it to believe it.
and finally, just something I noticed...
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and i had to slip them off the line new stickier radials i expect to cut some 2.0s, and run a 13.5 to 13.6...
You are saying if you run 2.0 60fts you may hit 13.5 or 13.6 (i'd say 13.6) if that was the case, how is a set of slicks that you think will give you a 1.9 60ft time gonna go from 13.6 to 13.3?
timeslips on the web prove otherwise... to get from 13.7 to 12.7, you need a lot more than a set of slicks, you're gonna need to have around 320+WHP... R34 (awd) skylines with 277bhp run 13.7 (C&D Feb 1999)... a Viper is a good example of the kind of power it takes to get into the 12's..
Originally posted by Jape timeslips on the web prove otherwise... to get from 13.7 to 12.7, you need a lot more than a set of slicks, you're gonna need to have around 320+WHP... R34 (awd) skylines with 277bhp run 13.7 (C&D Feb 1999)... a Viper is a good example of the kind of power it takes to get into the 12's..
This season I will make it to the track and prove it. Would 475+ HP impress you?
Jape Jape Jape...horsepower isnt whats important..it Horsepower to weight, my friends LS/vtec 91 civich hatch has 200whp...and runs 11.3@ 114..all day, he won at moroso all motor class..why is his 200 horsepower car so fast? cuz it only weighs 1600lbs...you cant just say, oh well a skyline has blah blah...theyre different cars, different powerbands ect..gearing also affect a cars acceleration...drivetrain loss ect ect, and hitting 1.9 on slicks wouldnt be difficult, i could care less what WRXs do...i could jump one off the line if i was on slicks and he wasnt, i think your understanding of drag racing and such comes from what you read, not meaning that in a bad way, but ive spent ALOT of time at the track, like 2 times a week...for quite some time, and ive already given you an EXACT example, if you want some more proff go to Superhonda dot com or Honda tech , and ask Altered4..his brother car and set up mirror mine so to speak, and his car dropped that, but again it pointless, and i could run a 13.6 right now ..ive already run a 13.7...which for my car to begin with is enough for me...peace
200whp civic running 11.3? thats fast! off topic, but what'd did he have done to it?
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Originally posted by PreludeRacer023 Jape Jape Jape...horsepower isnt whats important..it Horsepower to weight, my friends LS/vtec 91 civich hatch has 200whp...and runs 11.3@ 114..
Yeah thanks for reminding me that power to weight ratios exist. Now let me remind you that you drive a land yacht.
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losers. 
Now let me remind you that you drive a land yacht.
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