am i reading that right, it comes with knob and boot, for 100 bucks.... hmmm i might have to give it a try.
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You HAVE to use his boot and knob, I called him on this, and asked some questions (in a bit of a smartasses manner) and he never replied, so he can suck it. I'd much rather have my own choice of shift boot and knob, than what HE thinks looks good. If/when I get a short shifter, I'm getting 4bidden's.
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i dont think this shifter on ebay lets you have three different option settings (stock/street/race) like forbidden's does. i have forbiddens and it is great !
Guys.....this guy is a total tool. He's the main reason why I even started making mine. Its quite a story but in the end he has no knowledge of what he does.....
Any cable shifted Honda benefits from a HEAVIER lever to be able to help push the car into the next gear. His units are ALUMINUM....thats probably the worst material you could ever make our shifters out of. Sure, aluminum is a more expensive material than I make mine out of, but its also cheaper to CNC, and like I mentioned, will NOT help with the shifter feel at ALL!
The choice is yours, this guy is obviously struggling so I'll let him get away with putting my name in his ebay title (lol), but think about the benefits of the weight of the lever and you should realize this guy has no idea what hes doing.
well obviously as just clarified it was made before the 4bidden one so its not some cheap copy. but no its not good either. this is his 2nd version. the first was not all that good and the neutral position was very strange. thats why I went with the 4bidden. this one may be better but yea I would like to choose my own knob and boot. also yes the 3 positions are niceon the 4bidden, but do you change them? I know I haven't and probably never will. about the etching, I havent looked at my stock knob in a long time, but I think it had a thicker line there like that.
About the positions....it serves two purposes. The first has to do with making the shifter applicable for all the cars. You CANNOT use the same setting on every car and get the same results, its just not possible due to the differences between the Accord and Prelude. The second is to allow people to put it how THEY like it and adjust it to the condition of their transmission. If your tranny isnt in the best of shape or your fluid is old or something you might have problems with my top setting, so you can move it down to the middle. Thats the point of the settings.
man i think his setup looks great. i like the knob, and the boot is really nice(how many of us have changed for aftermarket shift boots?). i have driven 2 cars with 4biddens shifter, and i dont like it at all. it is super notchy, but it looks well made to me. i am using a dc sports adapter knock off, and i shortened the shifter a bit and it feels better than 4 biddens, for about 20 bucks. it is the same as forbiddens minus the adjustability. i dunno, i just dont see how its worth all that money...
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Originally posted by 4bidden Ouch....looks like his laser etching f'd up on these knobs.....the line between 3/4 and 5/r is a little thick, dont ya think?
its supposed to be that way, thats how it is stock....sheesh you guys are rough!
marsh
Originally posted by marshdoggg man i think his setup looks great. i like the knob, and the boot is really nice(how many of us have changed for aftermarket shift boots?). i have driven 2 cars with 4biddens shifter, and i dont like it at all. it is super notchy, but it looks well made to me. i am using a dc sports adapter knock off, and i shortened the shifter a bit and it feels better than 4 biddens, for about 20 bucks. it is the same as forbiddens minus the adjustability. i dunno, i just dont see how its worth all that money...
its supposed to be that way, thats how it is stock....sheesh you guys are rough!
marsh
maybe the ones you drove were on a seeting that you werent comfortable with? and 5th-rev. is not like that at all.... maybe if it was a six speed the bars could go off into space like that but if you look at the stock knob, all the lines add up
You don't have to use his knob if you don't want to. The shifter has the same threads as the stock honda knob. I currently have this thing in my car. The leather is nice quality, and if you ever felt the need to change the boot color, you could easily remove the aluminum piece from the boot, and have it sewn into a new boot. I am using a new Style heavy Greddy shift knob on mine and it fits great.
You guys have some misconceptions about the weight of the shifter helping with the shift. This has normally been true for most all VW and Audi cable shifters, but not on Hondas. In order to really get the best shift a Heavier knob is normally used on a Honda. If you ever get a chance to look into a Honda that is used for say the Speedvision World challenge, they use a nice Aluminum shifter with a heavy knob. If you have ever seen a VW shifter, most all of them have a counter weight on the bottom of the shift lever, Hondas lack this becuase a Heavy shifter actually isn't needed. In a Honda the knob acts like a counter weight on top to help push/pull the cable (which is why you feel the most improvement in a shift by using a heavier knob. If you counter balanced the shifter with a heavier material and used a heavier knob, then theoretically you cancel each of them out. I used to have a C's shifter and in comparison between the 2 the shift feels Exactly the same. The 4Bidden shifter looks nice as well, (I would have bought one, but they were all out of this run) And I am sure that the 3 levels of adjustment are a nice option, but I wouldn't knock this guys stuff unless you have actually tried it. Pretty nice stuff, nice machine work, great material, comes with a nice boot, and knob (I prefer a heavier knob), but nice just the same. There are pros and cons to any product out there, but I wouldn't resort to calling a guy a "Tool" becuase you don't like his product.
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wow. the build quality on it looks awesome, but that one doesn't seem to have the large following of luders as 4bidden's.
4bidden, i have yours and i love it!
i have more trust in someone who is active within the prelude community and doesnt have to rely on the popularity of someone else's product to promote their own.
maybe the ones you drove were on a seeting that you werent comfortable with? and 5th-rev. is not like that at all.... maybe if it was a six speed the bars could go off into space like that but if you look at the stock knob, all the lines add up
ummmm no. this is an oem honda knob here...
marsh
ps whats a seeting?
He markets it as you can ONLY use his knob, so I dont know? I guess you could use a knob that used a set screw or something? Either way I think its awesome that I have some competition, but this guy, like someone else mentioned, isnt an enthusiast from what I can tell. He is your typical business man out to promote his product.
Originally posted by 4bidden He markets it as you can ONLY use his knob, so I dont know? I guess you could use a knob that used a set screw or something? Either way I think its awesome that I have some competition, but this guy, like someone else mentioned, isnt an enthusiast from what I can tell. He is your typical business man out to promote his product.
You can use ANY knob that will thread onto a stock shifter. Not just ones with set screws. The greddy Heavy knob that I am using threads right onto it. It has the same same thread size and pitch as a stock shifter. When the guy says that you can't use a stock shift knob with it, he says this because the stock 4th gen knob snaps into the stock shifter boot. If you were to use the stock knob with HIS shifter then there wouldn't be any place for the knob to snap into. Trust me when I say that you can use any knob. As for him being a Business man, so what. I would say that 75% of folks that are into the aftermarket business are not enthusiasts. I think it's cool that you started making a nice shifter for prelude enthusiasts, and it's cool that you seem to market it directly to a prelude community, but there would be nothing wrong with you going out and marketing it for other cars so that you can make a buck. That's what this great country is all about. He may not be an "Enthusiast" in your eyes, or other peoples eyes for that matter, but he is just trying to make a buck. At least the stuff he is selling is also of pretty good quality.
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I bet money if he was on PO.com and so was 4bidden there'd be constant battles of whose shifter was better and you'd both (4bidden and "Tool") have a lot of sales.
4bidden, Why dont you machine one out of aluminum and give it a test drive yourself with a heavier knob and eliminate the competition?? ....
pretty nice price if you ask me for all that you get
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