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Old 08-21-2003, 11:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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New PP.. now can't go into gear!

Ok, I traded Wutangben on the site my HD PP for his XT PP, I decided I'd throw it in, along with my street/strip disk and LSD H22 trans (both of which I've used before). So I do the swap, putting in the new PP, the disk and the trans, and a new slave cylinder just for good measure. Run it through the gears with the car off.. fine. Turn the car on, now I cannot engage any gears. My friend tightened up the slack in the pedal, and found the master cylinder was leaking, so I went and bought a new one, installed it, same problem. So I took my old slave and put it on the trans, no difference. Now I'm stuck, and the ONLY thing left that it could possibly be is the PP is faulty, no? If anyone has anything else that it could even remotely possibly be, please let me know.

Damn I'm sore, and tired...
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Old 08-22-2003, 01:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
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How does it lock you out? Explain what it does when you try and put it in gear.
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Old 08-22-2003, 02:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It's just as if the clutch isn't pushed in.. I try to put it into gear (with the clutch in) and the motor starts to die because I'm forcing the clutch to go into gear.. but will never go in. If I try and start the car with it in gear, the car jumps (because it's in gear) and I cannot take it out.

Both the Slave and Master cylinders are new. And there's no leaks in the system..
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Old 08-22-2003, 02:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Stupid question: did you bleed the system?
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Old 08-22-2003, 02:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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lol, yea I bled the holy crap out of the system. That's what I thought it might be, but I've gone through a ****load of fluid now.
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Old 08-22-2003, 07:36 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Maby you have an issue with the thrust bearing. I really h8 to say it but it looks like your going to have to drop the tranny again. I know how much of a pain it is. And i definately know how you feel after all that work. You almost feel sick.
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Did you make sure that everything was aligned?
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Old 08-22-2003, 11:08 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I really don't think it's the throw out bearing because I've used it before, and it was fine, and I know I put it in right.

As for everything being aligned, it has to be in order for the trans to bolt up.
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This happened to me before. I had a leak in the line. All I did was tighten the coupling and fixed it. How did you bleed it??? I'd pump the clutch about 10 times then hold it, then have someone quickly open and shut the relief valve, (notice the pedal should stay on the floor, well happened to me anyway, all I did was pull it back), repeat 5 or so times if nessessary to make sure there's no AIR in the line. Just like bleeding your brake lines. If that don't fix it, I don't know what the heck??! Well I hope this helped.
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It still wont shift with the car off, right?
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Old 08-22-2003, 12:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It still wont shift with the car off, right?
Good call, does it go in gear when the engine's off??? If it might not be the clutch at all!!!
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Old 08-22-2003, 02:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
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all the info you guys are asking me for is in the very first post. I answered all the questions already.

The verdict is, that either the pressure plate is bad, or that my friend when he was bolting down the pressure plate, put the disk in backwards (*shaking head* he knows better). I went to a tranny specialist, and he confirmed my thoughts. So I let him have the car cause I'm too tired and lazy to pull it again, and he's gonna open it up and take a look at the pressure plate and disk.
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good call on letting him do the labor. i sure as hell wouldnt want to repull my tranny after going through that bull****. i sure hope its not the pressure plate... i dont even think it's possible to put it on backwards... i mean ****, you have to get it on just perfect to even line it up with the flywheel. maybe it was improperly torqued down or something? i just don't see how it could be bad hopefully everything works out.
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bringing this one back...

i'm having the same prob right now... wat was the solution to your problem?

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Old 09-30-2003, 04:53 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Excellent you used the search function!

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Ok now seriously: I replaced the PP with another new HDPP from ACT and everything worked perfect. Now I have a theory, and maybe someone here can back it up. The HDSS and WTSS clutch kits come with different' TOB's... my guess is that the TOB for the XTPP is deeper than the TOB for the HDPP, since the XTPP may be a bit shallower, so when I was using my HDSS kit TOB, it was too short. That's what I'm thinking, I can't technically prove it cause I don't have a XTSS TOB, but that's what I can figure. EIther that, or the PP is bad, but I cannot test it because no shops will due to liability reasons for it being a 'high performance' PP.

Now, this may not specifically apply to you since my problem was under a different' curcumstance (ACT related). But what's exactly the problem you're having?
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well... i just finished a jdm h22 swap and put my h23 tranny on the h22 block. finally figured out how to bleed the clutch properly and built some pressure into it. start the car, and the car wont go into gear, as if the clutch is not even pushed in. when the car is off, the gears go in very smoothly. i'm sure all the clutch parts were put on correctly and none of the cylinders are leaking or anything.
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Old 10-01-2003, 09:44 AM   #17 (permalink)
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And you're using the exact same disc, PP, and TOB as when you had it on the H23 right?
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Old 10-01-2003, 07:28 PM   #18 (permalink)
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right...

my car is at the shop right now... i think they're dicking with me.
they were supposed to drop the tranny and inspect things.

i left the shop at 3pm and the car was still on the floor. my dad dropped by at 5 to check things out and the car was still on the floor. they told me that it's a 5 hour job to drop the tranny. they told my dad that i had forgotten to tighten some bolts on the pressure plate (bull$hit). and that one of the mounting bolts were missing (possible, but not causing the problem). ima go in the morning to the shop and slap some ppl around and get some answers.
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