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Old 01-15-2003, 09:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Limited Slip Differentials

Hey guys,

I have been looking into my JDM swap and I have some questions regarding LSD's. I am considering getting a full JDM H22A swap with a LSD tranny but I would like to know what type of LSD it comes with. I know that some are better than others. Does anyone have the JDM stock LSD in their swap? If you do, how is working out for you? Is there any special tranny fluid I would need to use?

I have heard from several people that the best LSD out there is the Quaife. I figure this is due to the fact that it is a gear type LSD and requires next to no upkeep.

Maybe we could turn this thread into an FAQ worthy one.

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Old 01-15-2003, 09:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I have a Quaife... What exactly do you want to know?

The Factory LSD is similar in design as it is also a heilical type of Torque biasing diff..

Kazz uses Clutches and require special oil...
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Old 01-16-2003, 04:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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So the factory LSD is pretty close to a Quaife? I don't want to have to do any maintenence on the diff as it is kinda buried in the tranny. Does the Quaife require any special type of tranny oil. Do you know if the stock would use standard MTF?

My first choice would be a Quaife but install=
I think the best option then would be the factory LSD.

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Old 01-16-2003, 08:08 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I would go with the honda one; Honda says their LSD is lighter and works better.
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Old 01-16-2003, 08:31 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I would go with the honda one; Honda says their LSD is lighter and works better.
That is true, a Quaife LSD is the heaviest of the 3 LSDs, OEM, Kaaz and Quaife.
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I had a quaife but changed to Kaaz.
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Since i am running the h22/h23 tranny. would it be the best for me just to find a jdm h22 tranny with lsd? or would a kaaz or quaife work better? and does anyone know where to find a tranny for a good price?
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Thanks for the replies guys. It is looking like the OEM is going to be the best choice. I must say that $300-400 extra for a very good LSD seems really fair.

Does anyone know about the MTF question? What does Quaife reccomend?

Thanks for your help
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What kind of maintenance is everyone talking about? I'm completely clueless. Sorry...I will need an LSD so I need to know this stuff. I didn't even know I could get one from Honda.
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The LSD you can get from Honda comes from a stock transmission out of a JDM H22A. The are offered as options when you get a full swap. As far as maintenence, clutch type LSD's have clutches (imagine that) that can wear out and need to be replaced.

Do some searching on the web about LSD's.
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Quaife uses the stock Fluid...

Heilical is good for wheels that will never leave the ground. Clutch type is better for "rally type" driving.

If you are looking for a JDM Tranny with LSD contact Keith...
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Old 01-16-2003, 10:23 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Is keith his SN? Do you know how much he charges and where he is?
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Yes it is. I have an M2B4 4th gen JDM tranny with OEM helical LSD. You can see the install here...

http://www.chillybanana.com/Prelude/tranny
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Kieth, do you have one of these trannys for sale? if so how much? thanks man
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What exactly does LSD do?
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What exactly does LSD do?
taken from ff-squad...


A limited slip differential helps put power to the ground for both wheels instead of just one. When making a turn, an LSD evenly distributes power to both wheels so 100% traction is made. Stock differentials cannot do that. The term 'peg leg' is what people call a tranny that is
not LSD equipped.

There are mainly 2 types of Honda made LSD's:
Gear Type or Clutch Type
A third type is Viscous, but it's very rare and expensive.
Gear Types have gears inside of them that mesh/engage together when load is detected. This type is good to have because you'll probably never have to replace worn internal LSD parts, unlike the clutch type. The downside is that they can internally break if your into rough circut racing. Lifting a front wheel in a turn and landing back on it is how the LSD can break. Real stiff suspension is a major factor in making a car lift during a turn.

Clutch Types have small clutches inside that engage when load is being detected. These LSD's won't break if you happen to lift a wheel. The only real downside to this type of LSD is, wearing of the clutches. Just like the clutch disc inside of your tranny, the clutches inside this LSD wear out too, and needs replacement.

Viscous Type are similar to the viscous LSD's used in some AWD vehicles. The way these work is that a special fluid is used in the differential THICKENS, when excessive slip is induced. Stators and impellors in the diff make this even more efficient. Although there is a slight delay in locking of the differential, they work very well and last a long time.
According to my resources, these were 'special order' LSD's for JDM 96-97 ITR integra's only. No other countries would receive this optional LSD, only Japan. The cost was about twice as much as a the common Gear type found in all ITR's and CTR's. One odd thing though, Honda of Japan does NOT have this optional LSD type for 98+ ITR's! We're (EB & I) pretty sure it fits in 98+ ITR tranny's though...
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So do you know if the LSD in the H22A tranny is clutch or gear type?

Do you have any for sale and how much?

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Yes it is. I have an M2B4 4th gen JDM tranny with OEM helical LSD. You can see the install here...

http://www.chillybanana.com/Prelude/tranny
^^^^ -> Helical = gear based. None for sale.. unless you want a H23 tranny...
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