Kill a Boxter? - Honda Prelude Forum

Que_Lude · 08-13-2002, 01:21 AM

I have a 94 vtec with the basic bolt on mods. I/H/E, pulleys, wires, plugs, ect.

I was wondering if any of you 4 gens have raced a Boxter? There are a lot of them in the Silicon Valley and I was wondering if my lude was capable of hangin with one with the right mods.

Glenn

brendon2k · 08-13-2002, 01:36 AM

I saw one at fontana before and it's times where not impressive at all. I think they where with in h22 lude time.

UWNTSUM · 08-13-2002, 01:59 AM

A 94 lude with i/h/e and the right driver can beat a boxter. As long as it's not the boxter s. I also live in the bay area and i've raced 3 of them. Beat all 3 with ease. Shouldn't be a problem.

Andy4thgenSE · 08-13-2002, 10:29 AM

i've read that the regular boxster does 0-60 in 6 sec. flat, and the s model does it in 5.7 I forget where i saw that now...road and track im thinkin?

andy

NoShoNoGoAccord · 08-13-2002, 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by Andy4thgenSE
i've read that the regular boxster does 0-60 in 6 sec. flat, and the s model does it in 5.7 I forget where i saw that now...road and track im thinkin?

andy

You are right. The Boxster is pretty much equivalent ot the BMW 330 and there is NO WAY a Prelude VTEC can keep up with a Boxster.
My friend setup a legitimate race between a 330 and a Prelude VTEC. The Lude lost. It wasn't really that close of a race either.
The Boxster isn't THAT impressive when it comes to being a Porsche but they are still decent performers. Handling wise they are really good cars.

UWNTSUM · 08-13-2002, 02:26 PM

Well were talkin about a modded lude with a pretty decent driver. Maybe the 2 or 3 that i've raced didn't redline or push it all the way, but I don't think they are all that. As for the 330Ci, its a heavy car, it has power and is a great car but that car wasn't meant for speed.

Que_Lude · 08-13-2002, 03:06 PM

Maybe it's really up to the drivers... A better driver in the Lude could probably take the Boxter. With equal drivers, it may be a different story... I don't want to start tearing apart my engine and spend thousands just trying to gain extra HP... I'm sure a few people can relate.

NoShoNoGoAccord · 08-13-2002, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by UWNTSUM
Well were talkin about a modded lude with a pretty decent driver. Maybe the 2 or 3 that i've raced didn't redline or push it all the way, but I don't think they are all thatcar wasn't meant for speed. . As for the 330Ci, its a heavy car, it has power and is a great car but that

Sorry bro, I got love for both cars. But you CANNOT compare a Honda to a BMW or a Porsche. I/E/H don't do that much for the car. The Prelude VTEC is a nice, quick car but in NO WAY can it be compared to a Boxster or 330

330 not made for speed. What does that mean??? Funny how EVERY car company TRIES to match the performance AND luxury of a BMW and MAJORITY of them fail. The 330 is almost at the performance level of the old E36 M3.

Come on guys, don't think these cars with basic bolt ons can beat cars companies with racing heritage. I think that is getting a little rediculous.
I bought my Lude to have fun with. It's a GREAT car but it's nothing to be comparing to BMWs and Porsches.
Sorry, these kinds of topics get on my nerves.

Side note. DAMN UMNTSUM, NICE car man. Looks really nice.

Prelude92S · 08-13-2002, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by NoShoNoGoAccord

Sorry bro, I got love for both cars. But you CANNOT compare a Honda to a BMW or a Porsche. I/E/H don't do that much for the car. The Prelude VTEC is a nice, quick car but in NO WAY can it be compared to a Boxster or 330

330 not made for speed. What does that mean??? Funny how EVERY car company TRIES to match the performance AND luxury of a BMW and MAJORITY of them fail. The 330 is almost at the performance level of the old E36 M3.

Come on guys, don't think these cars with basic bolt ons can beat cars companies with racing heritage. I think that is getting a little rediculous.
I bought my Lude to have fun with. It's a GREAT car but it's nothing to be comparing to BMWs and Porsches.
Sorry, these kinds of topics get on my nerves.

Side note. DAMN UMNTSUM, NICE car man. Looks really nice.

Everybody that owns a lude knows we don't have the fastest cars in the world but a vtec with i/h/e pullies, plugs, or whatever he said isn't slow...and you say i/h/e doesn't do anything...well i guess if u call 10hp+ nothing then that's ur buisness...i'm happy to own a lude, and when you talk about them like they're nothing that gets on MY nerves

SLICK96 · 08-13-2002, 05:27 PM

I don't care how legendary Porche's reputation is. The point is the Boxter can be taken out by Ludes. It's happened in the past, and it will happen again. Now the higher end Boxter, that's a different story ... but for the price, why not just get an S2K w/ a comptech supercharger, and do some real damage. The Boxter's just an expensive Miata.

NoShoNoGoAccord · 08-13-2002, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by Prelude92S

...i'm happy to own a lude, and when you talk about them like they're nothing that gets on MY nerves

Please read what you quote before you comment.

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Originally posted by SLICK96
I don't care how legendary Porche's reputation is. The point is the Boxter can be taken out by Ludes. It's happened in the past, and it will happen again. Now the higher end Boxter, that's a different story....but for the price, why not just get an S2K w/ a comptech supercharger, and do some real damage. The Boxter's just an expensive Miata.

Que_Lude · 08-13-2002, 06:41 PM

Most lude owners know that they are just driving a "Honda" and that they are $25k cars. (Vtec) It's nice to know that our "little" Honda's can take on much bigger and more respected sports cars that cost twice as much. (BMW's, Porsches - $50k+) The drivers in those cars must be saying, "what the hell is in that HONDA!"? when we pull a car or two ahead. =}
I know there are quite a few Ludes that can KILL a Boxster, but they have NOS or a Turbo, not the route that I'm going to take.

hypo-si · 08-13-2002, 07:29 PM

At the end of the day.. it is totally driver dependant.. please yes on paper the BMW or boxer will beat the prelude.. but we are talking about real life, your gonna have mixed results even a stock prelude vs a BMW 330i you can have a mixed outcome..

Both BMW Porsche and Honda have a racing heritage.. either way you should be happy to own a honda.. especially a prelude, we got well built cars and they are reliable and I think that any 4th gen owner would agree that we have a kickass modern interior for a car that was produced in 92.. a car ahead of it's time not only in technolgy but in reliability.

If you beat a boxster or a BMW well then fantastic, it's because eith there car is tired, they are a worse driver then you or simply your honda out powered there car.. simple.. specs on paper is one thing, getting out and proving it is another..

Peace

4thGVtec · 08-13-2002, 07:39 PM

what do 330's run on paper? cause i've beaten 2 of them and a older m3.(95 to be exact)

4thGVtec · 08-13-2002, 07:41 PM

and i have i/h/e/ignition/cam gears(untuned)/vafc(guess tuning)/clutch

SiLudeH23A · 08-13-2002, 10:08 PM

does porche actually have more more racing experience than honda. i always thought that honda built motorcycles then race cars then they got into street cars and i thought that they had raced since they were formed. if you want more experience than all your life i dont know how to help you.
tyler

SLICK96 · 08-17-2002, 12:12 AM

It still doesn't matter if Porsche or Honda was out for a thousand years more than the other, b/c Hondas are out on the streets, giving the Boxter a bloody nose, night after night. Suck it up, sucker-ass-Boxter-owners ... you lose to Luders nightly.

Jason

94lude · 08-17-2002, 01:51 AM

This is so ridiculous!!!!

Bottom line....

Honda's innovative and advance design of the VTEC engine revolutionized the automotive world since it was first introduced in the early 90s. Manufacturers like Mitsubishi, Toyota, and even BMW; created their own version of VTEC in the past decade.

That we all know....

But in the end, a Honda is just a Honda....

How many times have all of you heard â€œmy $23,000 Camaro Z28 will smoke any Honda!!!â€?

Thatâ€™s greatâ€¦ but itâ€™s still a Camaro.

And all this talk about a Prelude being able to smoke 330 and Boxtersâ€¦.

Thatâ€™s greatâ€¦ but its still a Honda.

Now donâ€™t get me wrong, Honda makes some quality cars, but there is a reason why a Ferrari will costs $300,000 and a Civic DX will only costs $12,000. I mean if manufacturers were selling cars just purely based on horsepower, all of us would be driving NSX'sâ€¦.

Do the comparisonâ€¦. Honda S2000 33K (Inline 4 - 240 HP)
Acura NSX 90K (V6 â€“ 290 HP)

That's what... approximately $60,000 for 50HP??? Where's the justification in that!!!

Simple... The way its built!!!! If anyone has sat inside a NSX, Porsche or Ferrari, they know what I'm talking about....

All the interior and exterior lines are immaculately placed together.... The placement and angle of the cockpit.... The sound of the engine.... I mean just the overall presence of the vehicle isn't even comparable.

The same goes for BMWs.

Manufacturers doesn't just make stuff up when they build a car... there's a reason behind it.

All this argument about why buy a Porshce when a S2K can beat it.... that's great.... but in the end, do you think you would get more respect from driving a Honda S2K, or a Porsche Boxter....

In my opinion... no contest... the Porsche would be my first choice.

Ken

SLICK96 · 08-17-2002, 08:08 AM

What car you'd get more respect in depends on where you live, and the class composition of those in that area. If you live in a MAJOR yuppy area, you'd probably get more respect in the overpriced-Miata ... I mean Boxter. In a lot of metropolitan areas, you might get more respect in the S2K. It all depends on how much dough you have.

J

Si4WS · 08-17-2002, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by 94lude
This is so ridiculous!!!!

.... but in the end, do you think you would get more respect from driving a Honda S2K, or a Porsche Boxter....

In my opinion... no contest... the Porsche would be my first choice.

Ken

Which car will get you more respect?

Well if you account maintenance costs, reliability, and cost factor in the scenario the S2K seems to be a more respectable car to me.