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Old 04-08-2004, 08:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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HELP!!!! idle prob *vid*

the video pretty much explains itself.. car keeps revving to 2k and then feels like its gonna die and idles to 1 then back to 2... also.. the intake is just SUCKING air like no other at idle... what is the dealio!? ive checked vaccuum lines and the IACV

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Old 04-08-2004, 08:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Have you done a search for this type of problem. The symptoms you are describing (and from what I hear) have been discussed in great detail. Go to this thread:

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If you have already done what is outlined in this thread, then you need to start troubleshooting your various idle valves. That is outlined in the Helms manual. Good luck
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Old 04-08-2004, 10:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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doesnt help me any.. ive checked alot of the crap.. any chance this is fuel related?
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Old 04-08-2004, 10:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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problem is your fast idle thermostat valve is shot..

To diagnose and confirm:

Take your intake off(should be simple 30 sec removal!).. Then while idling, look up inside the throttle body and listen.. Loud whistling? If so, signs are getting stronger.. Next, look inside the throttle body and try to locat the HOLE on the lower part of it.. Its about 1/3 the way up the cylinder towards the rear of the throttle body.. Once you look up inside, you'll know what I mean.. You should have 2, one low and one high.. The holes are about the width of your pinky finger(i.e. the little finger)... Now, cover that whole with your finger and see if it feels like there is a sucking on it.. Does it? If yes, then you also noticed a serious issue.. your idle went back to normal... This is good... Basically, it confirms a common issue with the H series motors... Sadly, its not well known, and there are several ways to fix it..

Your car specifically: It revs up and down from 1-2k in a fixed pattern... To me, I would be willing to bet thats the issue, especially since you said the intake has a loud sucking noise.

Causes: Well, the fast idle thermostat valve often goes bad for a various number of reasons.. Basically, upon warming it stays a little ways open due to the design which is really neat. There is a rubber screw in it that is beveled.. When the car is cold, coolant flows through the valve and the screw is able to basically unscrew so far. By doing this it allows a hole in the intake manifold just like a vaccuum hose ot open and suck in more air into the intake. This is used to SAFELY(as deemed by honda) warm up the car at a higher idle. As the coolant temperature and car temperature increases the screw expands as it is made out of rubber.. Thus, it screws in allowing no air to flow from the intake mainfold to the intake itself.. Thus, lowering the idle and allowing the throttle to operate correctly... Now that we know how it works, I bet you can see what can go wrong.. Old cars such as ours can have deposits form in the radiator made out of whatever.. These flow through the coolant lines and can block up things.. Maybe this caused your problem, or it could be one of many various other reasons...

Solution: It all depends on how permanent you want your solution to be.. Temporarily, you can cover that whole with a piece of duct tape... I have before, but it doesnt make a permanent solution and can present an issue going into the intake manifold, so make sure you place it well.. Even if it gets into the IM it wont make it too much farther and it has potential to get burned up or cause valve damage, but I wouldtn worry about it... This is only temporary and you plan on placing it well anyways right?

Long term fix: 1)replace the unit 2)clean the unit and reattach until problem goes away. 3) Leave it as it is cool to rev at everyone all the time while idling.. (Personally, I like #3.. people wanna race ya.. )

Where is the fast idle thermostat valve:? Its located on the underside of the throttle body.. Its easiest to get at by removing the for nuts the hold the throttle body to the intake manifold, unhooking the coolant lines to the fast idle thermostat valve, and the TPS and removing the throttle body.. Once you have this out, you can easily access that underneath metal piece... You have to undue two long bolts which hold it to throttle body.. Be CAREFUL of the gaskets!!

COST of new one: about $80 with tax from Honda...


Any more questions? Ill post pictures if you really need it, but it wont be for a while as my camera is on loan... Time factor also comes into play..
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or you can just remove the throttle body completely, take about 10 mins, then uncrew the back of it (2 little screws holdin a bronze plate, its facing the inside of the car on the bottom part of the body) and look inside. There should be a white plastic thing, with a spring around it. make sure its not all loose if it is ( mine completely fell out when i openned it so i put it back 2gether, and it was my problem), and tighten it and screw it back inside of the body with a flat head, its simple, u ll know what to do with it when u see it, then put it back together. and fire it up. My was doin the exact same thing, i didnt bother with the finger test. i just did that in about 30 mins, and put some silicone around the gasket of the throttle body and slapped it back, and its been fine every since. Been about a year now.
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thanks guys ill try that tomorrow at the shop.. are you like 85% sure its this?
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im 100% sure, my car was doin the exact same thing as your video, besides, u have nothin to lose, cause it probly wont cost u anything, took me 30 mins to do the whole thing.
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thanks.. i hope this fixes it im so damn frustrated!
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Well, Si_g is right.. ALSO, sorry... I was saying to take off the throttle body... I thought I was kinda clear.. hell, I spent 10 minutes doing a write up like that... And I did that writeup cause I am 100% thats it...
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fixed it.. Thanks!
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no problem man, thats what we r here for. now pimp that white lude !
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