K first off I did a search on this and really didnt find to much info on it. I can get the head off my friend for FREE so thats good, but is it actually safe to do this swap? Also is it worth the trouble? and if down the line I want to add a turbo is this going to cause any problems...Well I know it doesnt have the oil squirters but will there be any other problems. I really want to do this but Im afraid that im just going to end up with a whole bunch of problems.
Also I have another question...I just got a venom 400 performance control module by the way works good but eats gas up like a s.o.b. anywayz...Can I also use a apexi afc with this or is that just kinda pointless. I know the venom helps between 1k and 5k rpms but Im not sure if the afc is just like the venom or if would actually be better to have both. Thanx in advance---
the only think i can think of with this mod is problems. i think honda did what they did for a reason, and if that was a goodsetup they would have produced it. i think it will end up costing you more than a complete swap to an h22 in the long run. i also cant see this setup as being that great for turbo. sure the h23's lower compression is good for FI but with the new head the compression will be higher than the h23.
summary: doable but not economic or realistic.
tyler
Originally posted by SiLudeH23A the only think i can think of with this mod is problems. i think honda did what they did for a reason, and if that was a goodsetup they would have produced it. i think it will end up costing you more than a complete swap to an h22 in the long run. i also cant see this setup as being that great for turbo. sure the h23's lower compression is good for FI but with the new head the compression will be higher than the h23.
summary: doable but not economic or realistic.
tyler
Actually yes they did do this swap from the factory but it only came out in one car for a very short time. It came out in the Accord wagon (either type S or R). It had like 220hp and 170lb/ft of tq. It can be done but it's going to take some fabrication to get the oil up there. Also your going to want a V-afc not a S-afc b/c your not going to be able to control your vtec engagement with the S-afc. And if you have that expensive venom kit then just use it. You'll get some serious gains on an already very deadly motor. Try to find as much about the accord wagon I previously talked about as you can. OH it only came out in Japan.
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I did research on this subject and if I remember correctly this swap will set you back about $4,500. Not sure if that's with labor or not and I'm not so sure about reliability with no oil squirters. But what I wouldn't give for that HP and THEN turbo it. But then again I'm dreaming. The turbo by itself is gonna be a long time coming for me.
Actually yes they did do this swap from the factory but it only came out in one car for a very short time. It came out in the Accord wagon (either type S or R). It had like 220hp and 170lb/ft of tq.
Nope. . . the factory H23 VTEC only comes in the 2000+ Accord Sir-T wagon. The engine is quite rare and expensive. . .about $3,200 for a long block and ECU. In addition, the engine actually makes slightly LESS hp the the JDM H22a and has a lower redline.
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For what you'll spend HYBRID, build your current motor to breath fire. I've yet to hear real good things about this swap! Too much time and money spent on customizing parts and little gain!!!
PAPADAKIS is the only successful H22/H23 hybrid I've really seen and let's face it, his motor is built to perfection and probably cost in excess of $25,000....
Actually yes they did do this swap from the factory but it only came out in one car for a very short time. It came out in the Accord wagon (either type S or R). It had like 220hp and 170lb/ft of tq.
just to correct you....something coming from the factory doesnt consider it as a swap.....swaps are done when you change the factory setting....and what red92s said..it does make less hp compared to jdm h22....and besides why would you want to settle for h23....i got one myself and i want to put an h22 instead...just because of the availability of aftermarket parts if you compare h22 to h23....so....and there has been so many reliability issues about the h23 hybrid...its not worth the money and time....
hey everyone this question goes to all the real smart people that really know what they are talking about. Wouldn't it work if you started with a H22 motor and put the H23 crank and rods in there? since from what i have seen the only diffrence is the stroke and rod length. then you will have the oil squirters and all the vtec stuff. so like a stroker crank i guess it would be....
Why would you go through all that trouble to build a 2.3 stroker? If you're going to start doing that, you may as well do a 2.6 stroker like the accord in SCC...
Wouldn't it work if you started with a H22 motor and put the H23 crank and rods in there?
i would assume that the h22 rods are stronger than the h23 isnt it?...i know the h22 are basically meant to be abuse bcoz of vtec...the h23 can too but not as strong as h22 rods...
hey everyone well for the most part everyone has got a good perspective but i have a 97 accord with a h23 block and b20 head and its got aftermarket injectors and i wouldnt have it any other way cause from 1st to 2ndim already hittin 80mph and over hundred in third its really a powerful motor swap
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