get the black ones , apparently they have some self lubing somethin or other and the red ones don't ..
I'll be doing this upgrade next year ...
make sure you use good (lithium?) grease when you put them in ... you know a machine shop right? you'll be taking parts of your car in to get the old ones presed out ..
then the washer trick by putting a bolt/washer threaded through to seat the new bushing ..
Lithium grease, in my opinion, is worthless in this application. It will wash out within a couple of rain storms.
You want to use a marine type grease, waterproof or at least water resistance. Energy suspension sells their stuff in a tub. Really great grease that will last over a year. Because it is so good, it's a PIA to work with. It does not wipe off your finger easily. Also there is another grease called 'impact grease' that is almost as good as the ES grease.
ES bushing will naturally have an increased chance of squeaking over the OE rubber bushings.
I read it in an older issue of honda tuning, they put the ES bushing kit on an integra ..
you take your control arm, and put the bushing next to it like you want to fit it in .. but it wont go y hand, so you put a washer on the end of the control arm, put a bolt through it, and the bushing, a washer on the other side, and then bolt it...tighten it up, the washer will push the bushing into the control arm and the other washer will press agains the bolt head.. so the bolthead/washer squishes with the washer/nut so that in the middle, as you crank, it squeezes the bushing into the control arm ..
I have new ES front Bushings (I'm selling them for 25$).
They come in three pieces. So it is no longer required to use any washers or tricks to insert the bushings. Just assamble them as you put them in. Also, they are of different hardeness. The ones that are on the outside of the lower control arm are the softest. The midle bushing that goes inside the lower control arm is very hard. This will give you better a feel when cornering.
I would reccomend getting ES bushings seperately. The ones that have anything to do with shocks create a more bumpy ride. You will get them if you buy the kit. I would rather have a comfy ride. Also you don't get the trailing arm bushings for the rear in the kit. You will have to buy that seperately.
I have new ES front Bushings (I'm selling them for 25$).
They come in three pieces. So it is no longer required to use any washers or tricks to insert the bushings. Just assamble them as you put them in. Also, they are of different hardeness. The ones that are on the outside of the lower control arm are the softest. The midle bushing that goes inside the lower control arm is very hard. This will give you better a feel when cornering.
I would reccomend getting ES bushings seperately. The ones that have anything to do with shocks create a more bumpy ride. You will get them if you buy the kit. I would rather have a comfy ride. Also you don't get the trailing arm bushings for the rear in the kit. You will have to buy that seperately.
yup i just bought a set for the beater 4th gen...
the master kit DOES NOT come with the trailing arm bushings... you'll need that kit as well (if you want it all i mean)
i recommend the urethane shiets highly, just did this about a week ago, the difference it makes is absolutely astounding... of course the suspension did have over 250,ooo miles. but i still recommend it... the car feels solid, steering is nice and tight... everything feels just like it should, i know what the car is doing at all times... (i used to think that too... before the bushings)
hell, even my throttle response is better! yeah i know, you think im full of it! seriously tho, since everything in the suspension is nice and tight, shifts and even just coasting then tapping the throttle, both are greatly improved over the old worn out rubber ( didnt really look that bad to the eye, but obviously somethings different) the car doesnt dive as much under heavy braking, and as i said, car is smoother between shifts (not as much dive when you let off the gas and car is solid when you put it in the next gear) and throttle seems improved greatly as well (my guess is that torque is transferred to the wheels instead of losing some of it through the loose suspension?
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So i have to buy more in addition to the hyperflex suspension kit?
the kit comes with:
Complete Master Bushing Set Includes: Front and rear control arm bushings, front strut rod bushings, front and rear coil spring isolators, fornt and rear bump stops, front and rear shock bushings.
I've got the SS with prothane poly bushings, only catch is I installed it all at once, I can't say if and how much of a difference the bushings make.
The grease you want to use (as mentioned in a conversation with a guy [I can't remember his name] who works at the ES factory) is Boat/Marine grade trailer hitch bearing grease. It's a mouthful, but the guys at the CarQuest store I purchased it at knew what i was looking for. It's waterproof, and supposedly holds up the best, so you don't have to worry about the bushings losing their lubrication.
I have the upper and lower shock mount bushings, but ES also makes I believe control arm bushings, radius rod bushings, bump stops and I think 1 or 2 more sets. I didn't get my rear bushings from ES in time for my install, so if anyone needs a set of rear upper and lower bushings, I have a new set.
im really considering buying a master es kit but just thinking about all the work to get those old bushings out and punching em back in, i heard it took people a long time. does it make your ride really stiff afterwards? does the ride start to annoy you at all after a while? im just curious how rigid the ride would be and if its worth all the effort. how long did it take u guys?
im really considering buying a master es kit but just thinking about all the work to get those old bushings out and punching em back in, i heard it took people a long time. does it make your ride really stiff afterwards? does the ride start to annoy you at all after a while? im just curious how rigid the ride would be and if its worth all the effort. how long did it take u guys?
I can only comment on the front bushings, and even then I only have the upper and lower shock mount bushings installed. It's not a rough ride at all, but then again, I guess since I had them installed with my teins, I'm not aware of the difference between using stock rubber bushings and the poly-u.
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