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Old 04-16-2006, 01:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Changed out dented oil sump

What a fun day today at my mate "Skinny's" workshop . The use of the hoist was awesome! I got a lot done , change the oil and coolant, changed my dented oil sump, change my faulty oil cooler (hurray, I can use OEM oil filters without leaks now :grin: )

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My car on the hoist.


The old sump, pretty dented (previous owner did it). I got a new (2nd hand) one from Hondwreck for $70AUD.


Engine pipe had to be removed as well as the engine stiffener brace to get to the sump off. Here is a pic of my CAT, the biscuit is in good condition.


Bare bottom :keke:






The new sump installed, with the engine pipe and engine stiffener. All torqued to spec, even the tightening order :jus:



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Old 04-17-2006, 07:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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why is it red? and did you have to use any liquid gasket? or just got a new gasket? i have to replace mine aswell so i just wanted to know. i also heard of people taking off their cluth shield or something. youre lucky you got a lift. i have to do it cramped under my car hehe
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Old 04-17-2006, 09:05 PM   #3 (permalink)
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^ there is a small gasket that goes to the oil pan and the rest is all Hondabond. Its not to hard.
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Old 04-18-2006, 01:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Its red because I painted it ( a bit of under car bling ). I had to buy a gasket for the oil sump. Its rubber and goes all the way around the sump, has holes and stuff in it for the bolts and dimples on the sump's mating surface. For extra precaution I used silicon gasket maker on it as well, on both sides of the gasket (only a very light coating).

You can see the gasket between the sump and block


Also got a new o-ring for the oil cooler.
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yea, i got the oil pan gasket too, but im just not sure where to put the hondabond. but i guess ill see where when i actually do it.
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Old 04-18-2006, 02:13 AM   #6 (permalink)
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yea, i got the oil pan gasket too, but im just not sure where to put the hondabond. but i guess ill see where when i actually do it.
Here is a grab from the service manual, it tells you where to put the liquid gasket (hondabond). Also be sure to follow the torquing order for the sump bolts.

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hehe why'd you paint the oil pan for? It IS under the car after all
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hehe why'd you paint the oil pan for? It IS under the car after all
I dunno I had a can of wrinkle paint lying around and I was bored? Also I figured the red paint would let me spot leaks easier.
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i did not follow the tightening sequence nor did i use hondabond....

so far i think its okay - i hope it is!
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thanks racinghonda. i need to get myself some of that hondabond ht
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i did not follow the tightening sequence nor did i use hondabond....

so far i think its okay - i hope it is!
??? I hope you mean that you used some other gasket sealer OTHER than hondabond right?? or you didn't use anything at all?? And the sequence for the screws is to make sure everything is torqued on evenly as to not warp anything and to just simply make sure everything seats properly. Just like when you change a tire you do the star pattern
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i didnt use any gasket sealer and i tried to alternate the bolts as to mimic the correct tightening pattern
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Rule of thumb when doing up sump bolts or large items like that is to start from the inside and work outwards to spread the load outwards.
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Old 04-20-2006, 06:01 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Damn, still have a leak, but I have traced it down to be coming from between the timing belt cover and the engine. I think its probably a front main seal, or balance shaft seal. I've decided to take the car to a Honda specialist to get them to change out the front main seal, balance shaft seal and both cam seals. Plus replace the timing and balancer belts. I sincerely hope this is the end of it. I just want a nice engine that is dry on the outside. Lucky there is no oil appearing from between the gearbox and the engine . . . .

You can see the droplet on the plastic over right next to the crank pulley.
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damn, good luck with that. at least after you replace all that stuff, youll have some peace of mind.
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yup, most likely the bs seal.. I replaced all of those seals (plus added the retainer for the bs seal), the water pump, and the cam plug up top, finally no leaks...

just get it replaced now instead of waiting until you lose all of your oil on the way to work/school like I did and have to replace your main/rod bearings ...
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yup, most likely the bs seal.. I replaced all of those seals (plus added the retainer for the bs seal), the water pump, and the cam plug up top, finally no leaks...

just get it replaced now instead of waiting until you lose all of your oil on the way to work/school like I did and have to replace your main/rod bearings ...
Thanks, and yeah it was th BS seal. I got the mechanic to change out all the seals, the crank seal, balance shaft seal and cam seals. While he was at it, got him to replace the timing and balancer belts. Its all good now I think.

I haven't had the time to check under the car yet. The only thing is that I get a squeeking from down near the crank pulley at idle. If I even raise the RPM just 100rpm or so the squeek goes away The frequency of the squeek seems to match the crank pulley revolutions . . .

I did some reading up on the auto-tensioner noise but that is a metalic rattle/flapping noise as the revs come down, my car sounds totally normal doing that.
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its probably a too loose ps or alternator belt.. check that first.

glad to hear its back on the road! be sure and ask if your mechanic put in a retainer for the bs seal..
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its probably a too loose ps or alternator belt.. check that first.

glad to hear its back on the road! be sure and ask if your mechanic put in a retainer for the bs seal..
Thanks GaRn, I'll check the tension on that. They are new belts so they have probably stretched a bit now.
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Thanks GaRn, I'll check the tension on that. They are new belts so they have probably stretched a bit now.
yea, likely.. after I did my timing belt and had everything back together, I thought I had the belts plenty tight, but just like you experienced, they still squealed on startup! It's ridiculous, or it seems so, how tight you have to make em hehe..
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