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Old 01-21-2003, 03:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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car won't start after swap h23 to h22..help!!

hi..guys..i really need help now..i just got the jdm h22 installed into my 93 si.. the car won't start after installation..did any of you run into this problem at all? if you guys know what the problem might be..please let me know..thank you!!
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Have you searched?

Does it turn over?
Are you using your si harness?
Battery dead?
Fuel?
Alarm?

Need a little more info if you want some help.
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Old 01-21-2003, 04:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Check the ground wires!!! There is one that goes to the back of the head on Si's. I don't know what the ground is for and if it's eliminated by the swap, but it's an idea.
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i'm using the harness from my si..and the battery is dead..but i use the battery charger while i was trying to turn on the car.. my mechanic said it might be the fuel pump.because there wasn't any fuel in the fuel regulator tude, after we tried to turn on the car...but he's not sure.. what does it turn over? and i don't think it's the alarm..please help..
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Turn over means it starts and then dies, or gets really close to starting. Does it sound like it's gonna start?
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Old 01-21-2003, 04:54 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Turning over is .. Wrr Wrr Wrr Wrr , but instead of going VROOM, it just keeps going Wrr Wrr Wrr Wrr .. text sound effects rule.

Good luck with that, I'm not sure what to offer.. if its not getting gas definately it could be a fuel pump, make sure to check your fuses too and make sure they are all good ... the fuel pump one especially.
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it does sound like it's gonna start..but it won't... i haven't checked the fuses yet..i'm going to check torrmow...any other suggestions? oh by the way...where is the fuel pump located? is it near the gas tank?

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it is in the gas tank but if you pull the line going into the fuel filter
then you can see if it is pumping, if it is then replace filter and check line going to fuel rail.

LIke 924ws said check the wire harness and stuff, IF you have fuel then its got to be electrical
that can be a pain in the ass or check vacummn's

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Check the spark plug wires are on the correct positions on the cap, and that the external coil is connected. How is your distributer wired?
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Are you getting spark? Take a spark plug out of the head, reattach the plug wire and try to start it. Have someone watch. If you don't see a spark it's probably electrical.
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i used the distributer from my si...i didn't do the wiring myself..the guy who installed the engine did the wiring..i'll check torrow..any other possiablities? oh..forgot to mention this..i watched the guy installing my engine..he took the engine harnesses out of h23 and jdm h22 without marking down all the plugs..then he just put the engine harness from si into h22..this is what i'm worred about that went wrong..he might made some wrong connections..do you think that would be possible?
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Are you getting spark? Take a spark plug out of the head, reattach the plug wire and try to start it. Have someone watch. If you don't see a spark it's probably electrical.

we tried that..it won't spark..do you think this is the problem?
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Yeah check all the grounds again, if they aren't connected or don't have a good connection it won't spark. And make sure it's ok to use the h23 dist. It's kinda hard to plug the sensors back in the wrong hole, they may look the same but don't have the same pin pattern.
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yea they looks the same but they wont reach different spots and still all connect.

Mine took about 10 mins of turning it over before it started. There was somthing else, hmmm what was it, Damn i dont remember, there was somthing else i did to get it started but i totally forgot what it was, sorry. Ohh one easy way to check spark is just to hook up your timing light and if it flashes then you have spark.
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Sounds like a distrib. problem. Was anything rewired on it
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to quote 19924ws ..

"There is a ground wire on the back of the head pass side. If its not on there is no spark. I did a head swap and had that problem. There is no reason it should come off under normal conditions, but it is a thought."

from this thread:
No Spark!!!!

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hey guys..i found out what problem was.. it was a ground wire that needed to be hooked up to the dist or external coil..i'm not sure which it is...i was watching...NOW i have another problem..the problem with throtle position sensor, when the car idle..it makes noise like it's panting(sounds loud&queit loud&queit) i don't know how to describe the way it sounds..just like when you panting..the guy installed the engine said it is the throtle position sensor that needed to be adjusted...if you guys know what i'm talking about, please help me out...
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That's the one I was talkin about! Begin theme song to American Gladiators. haha. Is the car surging...like reving up and down? There are a couple of things it could be: TPS, cold start valve, or air boost. If you weren't careful puttin the engine back in and you bumped the TPS you could have broken it. They are very fragile. Let me know if it is surging and I'll tell you the fixes.
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19924ws .. YOUR THE MAN!

How do you tell if it is surging ?
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yes it is surging(the tachmeter needle going up and down) how can you tell if the TPS is broken or not?

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