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Old 07-07-2005, 09:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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brake pedal sinks

its wierd thing on the way back from the mall. i noticed if i held the brake pedal down for like 3 seconds, it would slowly sink down to the floor. it would brake good for those first 3 seconds then i kinda get worried when it starts to sink so i pumped them a bit. i made it home safe but i dont plan to take it out for a ride again till this problem is fixed. my guess is that the brake master cyclinder needs replacing. if thats the case, should i get the prelude vtec brake master cyclinder or that would work out for me? what are some solutions? brake fluid level is fine btw.
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Old 07-07-2005, 11:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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i've had this problem for a year now and i just drive with it haha
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Old 07-07-2005, 01:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Change the master cylinder, this has been covered about 67 times.
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i just remembered, the master cyclinders on the vtec and si are the same right?

and is it ok to drive like this? like can i drive around the neighborhood or something? or i really shouldnt?


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is there anything else i should order for replacing my master cyclinder while im at it? or do i just have to order number 1?

now its been covered 68 times

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Old 07-08-2005, 06:34 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Most auto parts stores will have a rebuilt unit in stock for considerably less than honda will charge. As far as I know, there is no gaskets/seals that need to be changed at the same time.
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It happens when it's really hot out or the A/C is on, right? Happened to me. Brake cylinders. You can drive it as long as you want, no hurry. Race on the freeway with it, doesn't matter. Just keep the A/C off if you do.

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It happens when it's really hot out or the A/C is on, right? Happened to me. Brake cylinders. You can drive it as long as you want, no hurry. Race on the freeway with it, doesn't matter. Just keep the A/C off if you do.
I don't see how having the A/C on would affect a thing with the brake system, they are not interconnected electricly or mechanicly.

When my MC failed, I noticed the "sinking" primarily happened in very hot conditions . . . hot days with stop and go driving primarily. On the highway everything was kosher. I think it has something to do with the brake fluid heating up due to braking, then it's viscosity going down, and it being better able to creap past seals and gaskets.

It's a cheap repair that directly impacts your safety, don't put it off.
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yea, i wont be putting it off. braking is one of, if not the most important thing to me. i think im gonna put in some aem brake pads whiles im at it. im getting sick of these metal masters crap. and im gonna use that valvoline brake fluid instead of hondas.
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I don't see how having the A/C on would affect a thing with the brake system, they are not interconnected electrically or mechanically.
But the seem to be connected thermally. The A/C sucks heat out of the air and it gets concentrated in one part of the engine bay. That would heat up the brake cylinder a bit.
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But the seem to be connected thermally. The A/C sucks heat out of the air and it gets concentrated in one part of the engine bay. That would heat up the brake cylinder a bit.
True, but nothing containing brake fluid is in close proximity to any part of the A/C system that acts as a thermal resovoir.
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maybe a good idea to recheck your fluid level...
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It's your brake master cylinder. The exact same symptoms happened to me, and whenever I was coming to a halt on an incline it was a scary experience . I thought that there was an air bubble in the line, but after taking it to the mechanic it was the brake master cylinder.
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It's your brake master cylinder. The exact same symptoms happened to me, and whenever I was coming to a halt on an incline it was a scary experience . I thought that there was an air bubble in the line, but after taking it to the mechanic it was the brake master cylinder.
yea i thought about an air bubble being in the line but i thought that the brake master cyclinder would most likely be the case.

im def not driving around like this. im just gonna drive it around the neighborhood for like 10 mins cuz i havent started up the car in like a month and i gotta change the oil.
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im def not driving around like this. im just gonna drive it around the neighborhood for like 10 mins cuz i havent started up the car in like a month and i gotta change the oil.
Yea definitely not a good idea to drive around like that. I didn't realize how dangerous it was until I found out that it was the master cylinder - I daily drove it for about a couple of weeks .
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is this something i can tackle myself or should i take it somewhere to get fixed?

btw, i also plan on replacing my brake pads cuz i think they suck.
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is this something i can tackle myself or should i take it somewhere to get fixed?

btw, i also plan on replacing my brake pads cuz i think they suck.
If you have the right tools and a Helms, it's doable. But to me, since changing out the brake master cylinder is extremely crucial to my safety, I'd rather leave it up to an experienced mechanic.
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I have the same symptoms.

All I have to do is remove the brake master cylinder and bleed correct?

I don't need to mess around with the brake booster correct?

I bleed the brakes twice already so I'm thinking it is the brake master cylinder.
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I don't need to mess around with the brake booster correct?
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f00k... this just started happening to me too
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