no seriously dude, this subject is as old as 1993. just do a search. you will come to find out the jdm h22a swap is the easist swap. if you want to slap on a turbo, think of the f22.
if you are trying to be different, you shouldn't have asked this in the first place because most other swaps are very costly / time consuming / pita. this isn't honda tech. cost and complication is a very big issue when you are swapping so to throw that out is ridiculous.
do i sound harsh? hell yes. because we do have numerious posts on the subject and it helps get you new users to look around first and not ask non-specific questions.
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Thats cruel people i just wanted a few opinions cause i dont know what i want to do with it yet but i guess if all people are gonna do here is flame somebody then screw it. ill just stick with my chevy it'll waste any prelude on the strip that ive seen here so far
Thats cruel people i just wanted a few opinions cause i dont know what i want to do with it yet but i guess if all people are gonna do here is flame somebody then screw it. ill just stick with my chevy it'll waste any prelude on the strip that ive seen here so far
thats the right attitude. why don't you go to a chevy forum and ask the same question. besides, i already answered your question as much as it needed to be answered.
with any modding you need to know what you want. don't know what you want? how about you just sit back and observe. the 4th gen has been out since 1992. what makes you think this topic hasn't been covered? maybe its just me and when i'm new to a forum i just don't go out and immediatly ask questions members have already seen 40 times a year. if the forum is good, there are usually faqs that cover alot of info.
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Thats cruel people i just wanted a few opinions cause i dont know what i want to do with it yet but i guess if all people are gonna do here is flame somebody then screw it. ill just stick with my chevy it'll waste any prelude on the strip that ive seen here so far
Seriously, if you're using the words "Prelude" and "strip" in the same sentence, then please sell your (presumably 4WS) Prelude - they're not drag cars, and never will be. Preludes make great track cars thanks to a pretty decent chassis and suspension setup, but if all you're thinkin' is the 1320', wrong vehicle.
And "impressive" is pretty vague. Impressive for what? If you're coming from Chevys and drag strips, then NO Honda engine will give you the torque you're likely accustomed to, it ain't where they make their power. Impressive may be dropping an LS2 into a Prelude - has it been done yet? Probably not. Worthwhile? Even less likely. I find high-revving small-displacement NA engines impressive; my friend in his Triton-supercharged Mercury Marauder doesn't. Impressive NA engine that's been bored, stroked, running JUN cams and has been Neptuned? Impressive boost engine that's been sleeved and good for 25psi? Impressive fuel economy?
Better question: What are your goals with the car? What will it be used for? And most importantly: How much are you willing to spend?
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take your chevy to the junk yard where it belongs. sell your prelude we dont want you to own one anymore if all youre gonna do is run back to your chevy with your tail between your legs. why you trying to impress people? do your own thing, quite acting like a butt hurt baby.
Goal for the car is to have something that handles incredible, yeah i know im not gonna get torque or horse out of an i4 like i get out of my v8 im not looking for that. and honestly i just wanted to know what poeple thought was the most impressive swap they had ever seen/heard of, not saying im gonna do it cause im not lookin to make some super fast car here. honestly i shuold have prolly split those 2 statments into 2 different posts. but i came to a forum looking for ideas n searching didnt turn up much. im not looking for anything specific so a search is kinda pointless.
and i did ask pretty much the same question a couple years ago on an s-10 forum, wether to keep the 350 or try something bigger. what people thought. i got opinions not flames.
Goal for the car is to have something that handles incredible, yeah i know im not gonna get torque or horse out of an i4 like i get out of my v8 im not looking for that. and honestly i just wanted to know what poeple thought was the most impressive swap they had ever seen/heard of, not saying im gonna do it cause im not lookin to make some super fast car here. honestly i shuold have prolly split those 2 statments into 2 different posts. but i came to a forum looking for ideas n searching didnt turn up much. im not looking for anything specific so a search is kinda pointless.
and i did ask pretty much the same question a couple years ago on an s-10 forum, wether to keep the 350 or try something bigger. what people thought. i got opinions not flames.
thanx to the few that gave opinions
The thing is, with Preludes, there aren't too many swap options. Your 4WS is running the H23, an able but not spectacular mill. Most common swap for those looking for more ooomph is a JDM H22 engine, which should put down between 163-168whp (compared to the H23's ~140ish whp). That's really it unless you're thinking of the more fringe motors like JDM F22, or the ridiculously expensive H23 VTEC engines. To my knowledge, and I've been outta the scene for a little bit (but am jumping back in whole hog soon enough), there are no K20/K24 swaps in Preludes. Generally the K-series engines (found in the newer Integra/Civic/TSX/Accord cars) have better modding ability - they react to mods more positively and generally get more power than the older H-series or venerable B-series engines, but since Preludes were never a real huge volume car for Honda the demand for K-series swaps is likely not enough for a company like Hasport to invest in making a swap kit.
Pretty much, other than the H23 already in the car, you're lookin' at a JDM H22 if you want a swap for more power. However, generally, if you want to boost, the H23 is fairly good engine due to its lower compression ratio compared to the H22, and especially the JDM H22 (which runs a little higher, I think 10.6 vs 10.2). If you're looking to build up an engine for NA power, fire up your wallet and read up in the NA forum. It's the route I'm planning, and it ain't cheap.
If you want handling, now you've entered the Prelude's realm; grab a Neuspeed or Spoon Sports Front strut tie bar (I noticed a good improvement with my Spoon bar), ditch the tired factory suspension for an inexpensive Koni-Neuspeed shock / Neuspeed Sport spring setup, have it aligned at a good shop, and throw some good tires on - with these modest updates, handling is really sharpened and the car is a blast to drive.
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Best swap? Some guy on another forum shoehorned an LS2 into his lude. Had to redo the entire suspension and cut out pieces of the body to make the new suspension fit. Last I heard he was trying to sell it as he didn't have enough time to finish.
Would be funny to roll into a Honda dealer with that thing and ask for an oil change.
The 4ws system and motor have nothing to do with each other.
Err, they kinda do in that in the US, ALL 4WS models came with the H23 engine. Hence, I'm making the assumption that he has an H23, based on A) He's in the US and B) He has a 4WS model.
Apart from that, yes, I know that the 4WS system and motor have no real connection outside the bevy of sensors that make the 4WS system tick. Comes with the fun of reading my Helms manual for entertainment.
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Err, they kinda do in that in the US, ALL 4WS models came with the H23 engine. Hence, I'm making the assumption that he has an H23, based on A) He's in the US and B) He has a 4WS model.
Apart from that, yes, I know that the 4WS system and motor have no real connection outside the bevy of sensors that make the 4WS system tick. Comes with the fun of reading my Helms manual for entertainment.
I see, I miss read your post. I thought you meant the H23 ECU was tied into the 4ws system.
If you really want to have fun with this car and make real power, the only engine you should swap in is a built turbo ready version of the engine that's in it now. If I was in your position, I would leave the block currently in the car alone so the car wouldn't have to go down for so long, and you would have a virgin spare if you need it. Go find a short/long block H23 and build it for turbo yourself in your spare time or just tear it all down yourself and have someone machine/assemble it for you and drop it right in. OR you could just turbo/juice the one that's in there now and it will waste any swap you put in it with proper installation and of course TUNE.
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Best engine is the h23 vtec, blue top. you can get a swap for like 2700. Then you get vtec and torque, but cheaper, is the h22 jdm swap, I already got a tranny from a friend, and i live not to far from an importer in chicago, so I am just getting the long block for 1100 bucks.
But just imagine, a H23 vtec with a nice set of Juns or skunk2 cams, and hondata tune, h22s cant touch it. With out more mods.
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there is a guy over on HT who started a LS1 swap. never finished it.
most impressive to me means, the best bang for your buck. anyone can drop gobs of money and get some custom ****. in reality most of us can not afford to spend 10K+ on an engine swap. the h23 is a great engine. (i got one sitting around for a project car), i really like my h22.
hey patern 101 ur an asshole man.. all the dude wanted to have is some help, not some retard mucking him.. and no u didn’t even help him. why would u wana get a standard f22 engine??? 1- They are slow and two the SI model is much better for force induction. If u done your research mate you would of suggested that the SI model which has a 2.3 4 cylinder engine non vtec us much better for force induction due to the iron sleeves.. mate I’ll tell you what, humiliating someone through the internet proves how small and how much time you have in your hands.
hey patern 101 ur an asshole man.. all the dude wanted to have is some help, not some retard mucking him.. and no u didn’t even help him. why would u wana get a standard f22 engine??? 1- They are slow and two the SI model is much better for force induction. If u done your research mate you would of suggested that the SI model which has a 2.3 4 cylinder engine non vtec us much better for force induction due to the iron sleeves.. mate I’ll tell you what, humiliating someone through the internet proves how small and how much time you have in your hands.
Thanks for the complimemt
Obviously if he would have done his research, he might have known that his SI engine is probably better for boost seeing as he already has one, but there are plenty of people here and elsewhere who have done numerious things with the F22.
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