B18 and H22a - Honda Prelude Forum

HUNTERlude · 01-11-2002, 05:26 PM

based on your opinions and knowledge, would a B18 engine b more practical to drop in to a 99 civic hatch or just go all out with a JDM H22a.
I dunno, i told that guy who is a good friend of mine to go with JDM h 2.3 since its cheaper and great with turbo. V-tec has no effect at all when the turbo kicks in.

V1ruX · 01-11-2002, 05:29 PM

what is the application of this car going to be? if you're gonna say a straight drag car, that go with the h22. if not, you gotta look how the extra weight of the h22 plays on the cars handling.

-Vi

HUNTERlude · 01-11-2002, 05:33 PM

i believe the weight difference between the 2 engines is 65lbs. witha carbonfiber hood and weight reduction the engine weight should not b the issue. I'd love for him to turn that civic into a little beast and he has the financial means to do it.

jpprelude · 01-11-2002, 05:52 PM

I know the guys at www.importreview.com, claims that a H22 in a Civic is very streetable, and there is info on it over there.

I would also be a little worried about the added front-weight, but I'm sure with some suspension adjustments, it should be OK. Like said previously, the purpose of the car has a lot to do wih it.

Would you be able to stick a turbo on an H motor with it stuffed inside a hatch? Seems cramped to me.

Why not build a CRVTEC?

jpprelude · 01-11-2002, 05:54 PM

hmmm... seems that importreview is now praising the CRVTEC. I know Jeff and Charles split ways, but atomic's site is gone.

HUNTERlude · 01-11-2002, 08:57 PM

From all your point of views, please help, if u had the means to build a civic, lets say sort of a daily driver, school and home, may b riding aroung on a weekends, would a JDM h22a would be to much for a hatch to handle??? Would a B18 type R fit right in? Think of that Civic hatch as not just a weekend warrier. I would epriciate all your inputs.
Everyone and their mothers have GSR civics in their engines, everytime i c one i'm not immpressed anymore unless its turbocharged and a 10-11sec.

jpprelude · 01-11-2002, 09:09 PM

What is your budget? My friend got a hatchback, threw a B20VTEC in there, (CRV block, JDM B16Head), and now he does 13's on streets, and drives it daily. Thing is a pure beast. check out www.crvtec.com. If I remember correctly, he got the motor for $3K, and the car for another $3K. He also plans to run it in the hondachallenge next year.

I really think this is the optimal all around setup for a hatch. It has ridiculous torque, and ids crazy once it hits VTEC .

I don't know if a H22hatch would be too much, but the above setup puts out similar power to an H22, and the aftermarket support is better.

THat's just my opinion.

HUNTERlude · 01-11-2002, 09:36 PM

-----> to jpprelude. dude, the help with the website is a great start, exactly for the info i was looking for. It is all basically laid out for u on that site.
The budget would be unlimited considering me talking him out of getting a taz type R. I just hate the looks of those cars.
I think i might b excited more about that Civic then he is. He batter let me drive it when it's all done.

LudeTec · 01-12-2002, 12:41 AM

Hey,
H series hatch is ok, but there are a couple problems for it bein a daily driven car.
1. Even with weight reduction it is gonna have killer understeer. You can get rid of it a little, but not all.
2. There is a ton of power in the h series engines, and the light car(civic) can't apply the power very well.
3. The engines sit at different angles. The h series leans back, and the b series is a little forward. This goes mor ewith the above statement about applying the power. I would just go b20/vtec, killer torque smaller engine...less trouble.
Josh

HUNTERlude · 01-12-2002, 03:00 AM

basically from what i understand and please correct me if i'm wrong the H22a would be a cheaper install and less search for parts then compare to B20Z turbo build up. The B20z does prevent the oversteering which is a defenet advantage.
A lot to think about.
Another thing, with the B20z i need to use a head from b16a for the altimate performance??? Is that right???

HUNTERlude · 01-12-2002, 03:04 AM

------> with the b20z turbo builld up, the civic should b easily in low 11s???

jpprelude · 01-12-2002, 08:34 AM

Although I do think it's possible, asking a daily driven car to do 11's is no easy task. Building a turbo motor requires A LOT of tuning, and should not be handled by a novice, unless you are very patient. Maybe if you prep it for high boost.

I think you can get into low 13's, high 12's with an all motor setup with some head work, and new pistons/rods.

Do you realize how fast a 12/13 sec car is? About as fast as any Honda really needs to go on the street. Trust me a 13 sec car is FAST

I hope this helps.

jpprelude · 01-12-2002, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by HUNTERlude
basically from what i understand and please correct me if i'm wrong the H22a would be a cheaper install and less search for parts then compare to B20Z turbo build up. The B20z does prevent the oversteering which is a defenet advantage.
A lot to think about.
Another thing, with the B20z i need to use a head from b16a for the altimate performance??? Is that right???

For a H22->hatch install you need new motor mounts, which are very expensive. I'm not sure if you need one for the B20 or not. Parts for the B-series grow on trees, and finding what you need is no problem. You can use the head from a Bi6, or a B18, even a B18C5, , which are all pretty similar.

If you want to have a badass hatch, there is no replacement for research (which you are doing right now), and patience, so searching for all the parts should not be a deterrant.

My friend took a long time to build his, and he has not had a single cmplaint, excepr that his leg hurts from the strong clutch

red92s · 01-12-2002, 10:32 AM

My friend drives a GSR hatch that runs mid 14's. . .it's fast. I cant imagine what 13's feel like. Mid to low 14's is like 0-60 in the low-mid 5 sceond range. An H22 will cause you less headaches for installation (cause the motor is already built), but the CRVTEC wont require a $500 mount kit. Also, H22 hatches go through axles like frat boys go through trojans. The oil pan also sits very low, so even if you dont lower the car. . .speed bumps are a *****. www.inlinefour.com carries CRVTEC parts for buildup.

LudeTec · 01-13-2002, 11:57 AM

Hey,
Go here this Hybrid Honda They can answer any question you have. They are very smart, and the site is VERY informative.
Josh

HUNTERlude · 01-13-2002, 04:35 PM

-----> thax for all u suggestions, the b20z really does sound like a great engine to build from all the facts provided. The hybrid honda is another cool site the to get allot of info. props to "LudeTec" I will keep u posted in terms of the final desicion and pics of the installation. I CAN"T WAIT FOR THAT CIVIC TO COME TO LIFE.
And yes 13's r pretty fast after getting a ride on my friend's GSX. Thanx again.