Can you afford the down time is a big question? Building a race motor doesn't happen in a week. If you can afford to be without the car for months at a time, build you current motor. If not, buy a cheap, tired H23 and build the crap out of it. When you drop it in, you can sell the old motor to someone looking to do the same thing you just did.
Originally posted by si4u2nv how much am i looking to port mach the entire thing, turbo, cams etc....
I want to be the fastest honda in my town
I would count on $10-12k for everything...Remeber $4k for the kit alone+engine build($6-8k) This assumes having no major catastrophes. See this setup for pointers... XES
well think about what you are gonna need for a turbo setup...and add all the expenses...just like what nirvtec says..$3500 for a fmax kit, if you are gonna build the engine for a turbo setup, then you have think about new pistons, rods, maybe new axles if you are gonna be running at high boost, hondata, bigger injectors(though the fmax kit comes with it) but if you want to pust to 400+ hp, then bigger turbo, bigger injectors, new clutch, then labor for installation...its very expensive...and its a non-ending project if you turbo the baby...thats what kept me from getting a turbo, i'm not comfortable spending $15k just to make my car .. i'll just get little things here and there till i get that much money...
would it be better to buy a turbo kit, or buy the parts seperate. i thought buying them seperate would be cheaper. also i know excactly(sp?) what is going in to the engine. but is this going to cut down engine life? I hate to say this but I think i am going to get in over my head. The local import shop owner and i are really good friends and he gives me all my parts at cost, and he said that he will help me build the engine. he has a lude 2 and he wants my engine.
if you buy a turbo kit..like f-max kit..its good because it pretty much comes with everything to run a stock engine..and if you buy the kit and put it on...make sure that you tune the engine...thats the biggest thing with turbo...if you just slap the turbo and not tune it, then you are asking for alot of problems..the stock engine should be able to handle 9psi of boost with the proper tuning..my friend did that, just slap the turbo on and think thats its not gonna hurt the engine eventhough he is running on factory setting, he blew all four pistons...so you have to give the engine the right amount of air and fuel....so its gonna be very expensive..telling you know...do a research and see what you will need and how much boost are you planning to run..
i'm not saying its bad..its very good..actually, all i'm saying is that if you go to the turbo route..you have to make sure that you do everything right...if not, then you are asking for problems...you can buy the kit and have it installed and just run on factory setting boost but make sure that the car is properly tuned...then you wont have any problems..DR.James is running on stock internals with 11psi and he didnt have any problems..the keyword for FI = TUNING..
Okay, here what you do. 1st off, I think his setup is probably good for low 14's-high 13's. I would pick up a complete turbo kit, build the hell out of your fuel system, and run 7-9psi on stock internals. A thicker head gasket may be advised to get your compression down to 9:1 or so. People "Blow" their cars up when they get greedy with boost. I have a friend that runs 14psi at the track in his stock internal Civic SI(13.5@100+) He spent money on fuel delivery and swears by it. He is an example of greedy, and has told me that he wants to blow his motor to give him an excuse to tear it down. Follow these steps, and along with precision tuning and good driving you will beat him! Start here!
hellz yeah...that guy was talking about how the boost holds up there because he got an automatic, nice sleeper....
here what you are looking to spend
$3500 for a fmax kit (complete already)
$40 for a head gasket
$900 for Turbo accessories and gauges
$700-1300 for installation (varies from different shops)
$500+/- aybe for a dyno and proper tuning
total price= priceless with a big smile on your face since you can beat the other lude now....that is if you are a good driver too..
well if you are in a hurry to get the speed that you want...buy the kit and run on factory settings..and build the motor later...but my advice, buy the kit, dont put it on yet, and start buying the parts that you need to be able to run on higher boost, buy the parts to rebuild your engine and when you have all of it, do it all in one shot...so that you wont have to spend extra on putting the turbo now and then have to take the engine apart again later to build it..do it all in one shot and make sure that you have everything...that will be more worth it and that will give you time to learn more about turbo and what the advantages and disadvantages that you might have...
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thanks guys!
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