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ViZ · 08-11-2003, 01:41 PM

what is the difference between the 5th gen lude wheel size and offset and the wheels on the ITR

Forbidden · 08-11-2003, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by Prelude_2_NV

Yes I did. No noticable difference when the knuckle assembly was bolted in. Only visual difference is that the wheels seem to stick in more.

I think the hub assembly is a bit "thinner" on the 5th gen, at least that's the conclusion I came to when I tried fitting a 5th gen driveshaft on my 4th gen since the end of the driveshaft wouldn't stick out enough to put the hub nut on.

I'll take a pic to compare both driveshaft when I change my driver side driveshaft later this month.

Prelude_2_NV · 08-11-2003, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by ViZ
what is the difference between the 5th gen lude wheel size and offset and the wheels on the ITR

I think the Prelude specs are 16 x 6.5 +55 and the ITR is 15 x 6.5 +45, don't quote me on that though.

azjs · 08-12-2003, 02:17 AM

Noticing how they "stick in" a little more, have you done anything to combat it? Or have you left it? I've noticed it too...

-az

Prelude_2_NV · 08-12-2003, 10:02 PM

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Originally posted by azjs
Noticing how they "stick in" a little more, have you done anything to combat it? Or have you left it? I've noticed it too...

-az

I have done nothing to fix the problem. I have no more money to spend on more toys for the lude as the new semester of school will be starting in a few weeks.

azjs · 08-13-2003, 01:30 AM

Do you reckon spacers would be a viable solution? Or should I be looking at the axle a bit more?

-az

Prelude_2_NV · 08-13-2003, 11:45 AM

Wheel spacers will make it look "right", but as of now, I have had no problems whatsoever.

MugenDriver · 08-13-2003, 12:42 PM

Since that the car is lowered, it's cambered a bit, and gives the illusion that the wheels are tucked in more. But once you straighten out the wheels, it might fix it, or perhaps since you utilizes the 5th Gen knuckles, that might also be the cause of it being tucked in some more. Well, that's what I think anyway.

CrazieLude · 08-13-2003, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by ViZ
what is the difference between the 5th gen lude wheel size and offset and the wheels on the ITR

I asked someone today and they said that they were the same, well at least offset.

preluda92 · 08-14-2003, 02:49 AM

I have great suspision that the ITR and 5th gen prelude suspension are IDENTICAL.. for example you could go buy Spoon ITR 4-piston calipers and rotors, and they would bolt right up to the prelude. I'm not sure about the rest of it but I believe they are... and I'd like to find out.

ar5enal · 08-14-2003, 01:25 PM

They don't actually bolt right up to the Prelude. The caliper brackets are a little different, so that the rotor will be off-centered if you use the calipers with the Prelude. Those using Spoon calipers have shimmed them so that the rotor is dead centered between the pads.

I think the only way to get an answer on this is to look at the part numbers. Or, you could find an ITR Helms and compare it with the 5th gen Prelude.

X01VTEC · 08-26-2003, 02:34 PM

i picked up my 5th gen base wheels this past sunday, ive had the hubs/knuckles/brakes for quite some time and will be attempting the swap this week as long as i can find time between classes and work.

Scenario: i have the complete front knuckles from the 5th gen, has the entire knuckle, hubs and brakes, according to this thread thats a direct bolt on, so on with the problem....

the rear parts i was sent was just the hubs and rotors. so i dont have spindles nor do i have the knuckles. Did anyone actually try to just swap hubs? if so, did it work?

QUESTIONS:
Did anyone actually try to just swap rear hubs?
if so, did it work?

if this wont work, do i need the just the spindles or the entire knuckle with spindles? will the 5th gen spindles bolt up to the 4th gen knuckle? i know that the 4th and 5th gen spindles have different part numbers, but i guess this doesnt necessarily mean it wont bolt up.

i dont want to give up my rear sway bar, as im sure that would affect my cars abilities on the twisties so if i have to find rear knuckles too, what did everyone else do about this.... or maybe i didnt read that right but thats what i got from this thread.

what about the possibility of having a machine shop alter the hub, i mean if the hub isnt big enough to fit around the 4th gen spindles could they trim some material out, or if its too big, could they cut some material out and add a bearing that would fit the spindle....

i dont have the rear 5th gen spindles so i cant compare the 2

MugenDriver · 08-27-2003, 08:47 PM

X01VTEC, if you check my previous post it shows what I used to make the conversion. From what I remember the thing about the 4th Gen and 5th Gen rear spindle is that the 4th Gen's spindles are shorter, I know because I tried using those before, but I ended up buying the rear spindle for the 5th Gen to correct the offset for the rotor and caliper, if you want to find out what I mean, go ahead and try using the 4th Gen spindles before installing the 5th Gen spindles. To make as long story short, yeah, you'll need the 5th Gen spindle and it will bolt right up perfectly.

X01VTEC · 08-27-2003, 10:52 PM

ok so i just need the rear spindles, not the entire knuckles?

X01VTEC · 08-27-2003, 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by MugenDriver
X01VTEC, if you check my previous post it shows what I used to make the conversion. From what I remember the thing about the 4th Gen and 5th Gen rear spindle is that the 4th Gen's spindles are shorter, I know because I tried using those before, but I ended up buying the rear spindle for the 5th Gen to correct the offset for the rotor and caliper, if you want to find out what I mean, go ahead and try using the 4th Gen spindles before installing the 5th Gen spindles. To make as long story short, yeah, you'll need the 5th Gen spindle and it will bolt right up perfectly.

are you saying the 5th gen hub will slide onto the 4th gen spindle?

if the 4th gen spindle is shorter does the spindle nut even tighten down?

if the above answers are correct is it possible to shim the pads so everything matches up? im confused

well the more i think about it the more it makes sense, damn it i didnt get all the parts i wonder if the guy i bought them from still has the spindles. this sucks, someone is already waiting for the processor fan wheels. im just wondering cause id like to get the wheels on this week get the money for the wheels, and hopefully buy the spindles if i have to. i also dont want to half ass this... looks like i might have to wait until payday to finish the rear conversion

MugenDriver: thanks for the info, i was just confused cause of all the different ideas from everyone and what seemed to be different ways of doing the swap

jdm2nr · 06-05-2004, 08:24 PM

What is the deal with these spacers that are needed under the axle nut? Are the axle's really too long? Can you mess up the bearings? and are there any 5th gen prelude parts that won't require the spacers?

trident · 06-05-2004, 10:08 PM

Yes, 4th gen axles are too long, you can mess up the bearings, and a 5th gen axle should work. Also, I know there are about three threads that discuss this problem in depth. They might help you out a bit more.